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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I tend to distrust equivalences of this mechanical sort (see concurrent discussion) but this one seems to work about right. From: selpa'i To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:28 AM Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: [lojban-beginners] questions about lojban [...] Content analysis details: (0.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (kali9putra[at]yahoo.com) 0.0 DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED No valid author signature, adsp_override is CUSTOM_MED -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: gmx.de] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid ---334495122-1236601969-1369229394=:58036 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I tend to distrust equivalences of this mechanical sort (see concurrent discussion) but this one seems to work about right. ________________________________ From: selpa'i To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:28 AM Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: [lojban-beginners] questions about lojban la .van. cu cusku di'e > Anyway, could we please settle the problem I pointed out earlier > and fix the faulty wiki page. Sorry, when and what did you say earlier? 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I tend to distrust eq= uivalences of this mechanical sort (see concurrent discussion) but this one= seems to work about right.


From: selpa'i= <seladwa@gmx.de>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Se= nt: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:28 AM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: [lojban-beginners] quest= ions about lojban

la .van. cu cusku di'e
> Anyway, could we please settle the problem I= pointed out earlier
> and fix the faulty wiki page.

Sorry, wh= en and what did you say earlier? I cannot seem to find a recent post by you= (only one in the LaTeX thread).

> Either revert the change by xo= rxes
> (I doubt that's going to happen) or update the text I quoted> to reflect the difference between {PA broda} and {PA lo broda}.
<= br>Could you quote it again, please?

> Honestly, I still don't ge= t why the first one was decided to be
> grammatical in the first plac= e.. I don't really see any necessity
> to have this, especially if it= 's not just a short hand.

It *is* a shorthand:

PA broda =3D= =3D PA da poi ke'a broda.

Is that not a useful shorthand to have?
mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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