Received: from mail-we0-f184.google.com ([74.125.82.184]:48745) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UfAHw-0007Xy-FF for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 22 May 2013 07:45:21 -0700 Received: by mail-we0-f184.google.com with SMTP id q58sf240588wes.1 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 07:45:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:x-authenticated:x-provags-id:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-y-gmx-trusted:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=1RYjANGJxps2QsfAFniOKFnxSw8qIYsCHRDHCVpOVQI=; b=XSQzsvg8CVlvKabb6vFYjnBCB/HKCsINqZbv5wEi7CzooiglMTgVnB0ufi9jkm2a5K jajlONmxV5KQA7el8XgFyZrs7a5YYlMAHoyWFEsAq3dhYj5yMTozbQ4PwZ9UAOVSzvQu NbQvd2OVxAXMAuR7xg1YapgZtrLSxePaG2zrzKmtnrXs8m6Eq/DJNIOf5LamgGKZTLSx zSH8hby/TBCXSHgYkVUZ9I52WLT0jHB+QpXJNVjnEuinqU09cBaQHCIBnZBMuA7VafuA iGa+SBpThmUB2Eblge7XzkMsHGhrD5H7sjNzNrRQtwIKoJEgnYaxOKBCEZ1b8ANX+65h DJRA== X-Received: by 10.180.75.77 with SMTP id a13mr610899wiw.13.1369233903362; Wed, 22 May 2013 07:45:03 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.88.99 with SMTP id bf3ls530649wib.17.gmail; Wed, 22 May 2013 07:45:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.15.44.65 with SMTP id y41mr8433664eev.5.1369233902372; Wed, 22 May 2013 07:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net. [212.227.15.15]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id o5si1877122eew.0.2013.05.22.07.45.02 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 07:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.15.15 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.15.15; Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([10.1.76.4]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx001) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0M9d2X-1UlWKX0Cvn-00CzUZ for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 16:45:02 +0200 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 22 May 2013 14:45:01 -0000 Received: from p5DDC534E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.2.100]) [93.220.83.78] by mail.gmx.net (mp004) with SMTP; 22 May 2013 16:45:01 +0200 X-Authenticated: #54293076 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+tE9lHcEitcxy2kF1LtZ+wq24sXjBlZT/Ju+mdC8 cXDcyeD1xH49KO Message-ID: <519CD9EB.60309@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 16:44:59 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: [lojban-beginners] questions about lojban References: <20130520214048.GA3114@samsa.fritz.box> <20130520221213.GB3114@samsa.fritz.box> <519B59B4.8020404@lojban.org> <519B8B71.90800@gmx.de> <519B9D34.3010704@gmx.de> <1369156225.81761.YahooMailNeo@web184402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <519BB664.7010505@gmx.de> <519BF4C8.7040505@lojban.org> <519BF8AE.6080306@gmx.de> <1369188023.15568.YahooMailNeo@web184403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <519C9AB5.3020204@gmx.de> <1369228103.38525.YahooMailNeo@web184406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1369228103.38525.YahooMailNeo@web184406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.15.15 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / la .pycyn. cu cusku di'e > That is, it is a stylistic convention, not a grammar change. Nothing > wrong with that, of course, but not a change in the language per se, > merely in its use. Which is just as important. What use is it that it's grammatical, if your interlocutor doesn't understand you? A change in semantics is still a change in the language, in my opinion. mu'o mi'e la selpa'i -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.