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[212.227.15.19]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id gi6si1354298pbc.2.2013.05.22.12.36.06 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 12:36:07 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.15.19 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.15.19; Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([10.1.76.2]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx002) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MSFkr-1V3nzB0bed-00TTfW for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 21:36:06 +0200 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 22 May 2013 19:36:06 -0000 Received: from p5DDC534E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.2.100]) [93.220.83.78] by mail.gmx.net (mp002) with SMTP; 22 May 2013 21:36:06 +0200 X-Authenticated: #54293076 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/M8ZVnvWDMdfCw3XKn6TDdd9T5espeFW/45YofIW mwajWJmlvauQU3 Message-ID: <519D1E23.3010406@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 21:36:03 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: [lojban-beginners] questions about lojban References: <20130520214048.GA3114@samsa.fritz.box> <20130520221213.GB3114@samsa.fritz.box> <519B59B4.8020404@lojban.org> <519B8B71.90800@gmx.de> <519B9D34.3010704@gmx.de> <1369156225.81761.YahooMailNeo@web184402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <519BB664.7010505@gmx.de> <1369170061.60970.YahooMailNeo@web184403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1369170061.60970.YahooMailNeo@web184403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.15.19 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / la .pycyn. cu cusku di'e > Your final comments raise the issue of what your xorlo is > like -- clearly different from mine ("salient node ...") and apparently > making {lo broda} applicable to things totally unlike brodas (which > might, I suppose, be particularly bad cases of {le broda}). I wasn't presenting my view of xorlo, but merely asking a hypothetical question. Some of this comes from the time when {ci lo mu bakni} meant "three groups of five cows" and {PA lo broda} was defined to be quantifying over a singluar Broda (so the {lo} could be dropped). The final version of xorlo doesn't have this anymore, so now {lo broda} must be able to create plural groups, which it obviously does, or else lo tadni could not sruri a dinju. Still, I'm not sure if, when taking {lo tadni} to be singular even in the sruri case, it's just English that makes it sound strange, or if it really is strange. By my comment I was trying to "invite" people to try to think about this very question but without going through English first and to see if there might not be some sense in it. In more slightly different terms: Would it be strange for a myopic singular student to surround a building? mu'o mi'e la selpa'i -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.