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 Content preview:  la .guskant. cu cusku di'e > {na} is a selbri tag in all those,
    but it, as well as {bau} and {fi'o ve > tavla}, is a bridi operator. > Traditionally,
    the selbri tag {na} is equivalent to {naku} at the > beginning of the sentence,
    then {na} scopes over the whole bridi in > every case. > However, because
    of the problem shown in > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/scope+of+na , {na} is
    treated in the same way > as the other bridi operators: the earlier has wider
    scope. Then the four > bridi are equivalent to the following bridi: > > (6a')
    bau lo jbobau naku zo'u mi do zo'e tavla > (6b') fi'o ve tavla lo jbobau
   naku zo'u mi do zo'e tavla > (6c') naku zo'u fo lo jbobau fa mi do zo'e tavla
    > (6d') naku zo'u mi do zo'e lo jbobau tavla [...] 
 
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la .guskant. cu cusku di'e
> {na} is a selbri tag in all those, but it, as well as {bau} and {fi'o ve
> tavla}, is a bridi operator.
> Traditionally, the selbri tag {na} is equivalent to {naku} at the
> beginning of the sentence, then {na} scopes over the whole bridi in
> every case.
> However, because of the problem shown in
> http://www.lojban.org/tiki/scope+of+na , {na} is treated in the same way
> as the other bridi operators: the earlier has wider scope. Then the four
> bridi are equivalent to the following bridi:
>
> (6a') bau lo jbobau naku zo'u mi do zo'e tavla
> (6b') fi'o ve tavla lo jbobau naku zo'u mi do zo'e tavla
> (6c') naku zo'u fo lo jbobau fa mi do zo'e tavla
> (6d') naku zo'u mi do zo'e lo jbobau tavla

Yes.

> The scope of {na} seems different between ((6a'),(6b')) and ((6c'),(6d')).

How exactly is it different? You mean because the language-tags in (6a') 
and (6b') have scope over {na}, but not in (6c') and (6d')? Yes, that's 
true, but that's because the former two use tags, and the latter two 
don't. The tags are the diffence, not {na} itself. {na} is under the 
scope of another operator in the first two. Or am I misunderstanding you?

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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