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From: Betsemes To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: betsemes@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of betsemes@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::230 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=betsemes@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 7:38 AM, la arxokuna wrote: >> I have already seen the poor usage of {rei}. > > Where? In a corpus search. >> What are prohibitives? At face value it sounds like: "reinai ko broda" >> (I forbid you to do/be broda). Is this what it means. As I guess it >> is, it's just a command for not doing something, and thus pointless. >> Could you enlighten me? > > Yes, for me it's just [COMMAND]-nai. So {reinai ko broda) = {rei ko na broda} Hmmm, I think it's as pointless as the current meaning of {e'onai}. >> So then, how a cmavo for commands would be defined? >> >> rei attitudinal: command - ???? > > I suppose "command - command not to do". > The second one is called prohibitive but I can't define it as a prohibition > as the latter has several meanings. How about this? "command - obedience optional" Now I have a question. May a suggestion be called "obedience optional" and be stated as a command? If so, then that's {e'u}, but {e'u} is paired with "warning". Personally, I think there is a difference between "obedience optional" and "suggestion". I cannot precisely explain it, I just feel it. mu'o mi'e betsemes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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