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Subject: Re: [lojban] Robin retry: commands.
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On Sunday, May 26, 2013 4:10:54 PM UTC+4, Betsemes wrote:
>
> On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 7:38 AM, la arxokuna <gleki.is...@gmail.com<javascript:>> 
> wrote: 
> >> I have already seen the poor usage of {rei}. 
> > 
> > Where? 
>
> In a corpus search. 
>
> >> What are prohibitives? At face value it sounds like: "reinai ko broda" 
> >> (I forbid you to do/be broda). Is this what it means. As I guess it 
> >> is, it's just a command for not doing something, and thus pointless. 
> >> Could you enlighten me? 
> > 
> > Yes, for me it's just [COMMAND]-nai. 
>
> So {reinai ko broda) = {rei ko na broda} Hmmm, I think it's as 
> pointless as the current meaning of {e'onai}. 
>

In case of doubts we should always  change back to {sei broda}.

{*rei=sei minde}

I hope someone can make the full list of translations.

Because sometimes {nai} acts like {to'e}, sometimes like {na'ei}.


> >> So then, how a cmavo for commands would be defined? 
> >> 
> >> rei attitudinal: command - ???? 
> > 
> > I suppose "command - command not to do". 
> > The second one is called prohibitive but I can't define it as a 
> prohibition 
> > as the latter has several meanings. 
>
> How about this? "command - obedience optional" 
>
> Now I have a question. May a suggestion be called "obedience optional" 
> and be stated as a command? If so, then that's {e'u}, but {e'u} is 
> paired with "warning". Personally, I think there is a difference 
> between "obedience optional" and "suggestion". I cannot precisely 
> explain it, I just feel it. 
>
> mu'o mi'e betsemes 
>

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<br><br>On Sunday, May 26, 2013 4:10:54 PM UTC+4, Betsemes wrote:<blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: =
1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 7:38 AM, la arxo=
kuna &lt;<a href=3D"javascript:" target=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto=3D=
"_Rk6Xmc4r3UJ">gleki.is...@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
<br>&gt;&gt; I have already seen the poor usage of {rei}.
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; Where?
<br>
<br>In a corpus search.
<br>
<br>&gt;&gt; What are prohibitives? At face value it sounds like: "reinai k=
o broda"
<br>&gt;&gt; (I forbid you to do/be broda). Is this what it means. As I gue=
ss it
<br>&gt;&gt; is, it's just a command for not doing something, and thus poin=
tless.
<br>&gt;&gt; Could you enlighten me?
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; Yes, for me it's just [COMMAND]-nai.
<br>
<br>So {reinai ko broda) =3D {rei ko na broda} Hmmm, I think it's as
<br>pointless as the current meaning of {e'onai}.
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>In case of doubts we should always &nb=
sp;change back to {sei broda}.</div><div><br></div><div>{*rei=3Dsei minde}<=
/div><div><br></div><div>I hope someone can make the full list of translati=
ons.</div><div><br></div><div>Because sometimes {nai} acts like {to'e}, som=
etimes like {na'ei}.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft: 1ex;">
<br>&gt;&gt; So then, how a cmavo for commands would be defined?
<br>&gt;&gt;
<br>&gt;&gt; rei attitudinal: command - ????
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; I suppose "command - command not to do".
<br>&gt; The second one is called prohibitive but I can't define it as a pr=
ohibition
<br>&gt; as the latter has several meanings.
<br>
<br>How about this? "command - obedience optional"
<br>
<br>Now I have a question. May a suggestion be called "obedience optional"
<br>and be stated as a command? If so, then that's {e'u}, but {e'u} is
<br>paired with "warning". Personally, I think there is a difference
<br>between "obedience optional" and "suggestion". I cannot precisely
<br>explain it, I just feel it.
<br>
<br>mu'o mi'e betsemes
<br></blockquote>

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