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Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 07:48:23 -0600
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Robin retry: commands.
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On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 7:30 AM, la arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>wrote:

> On Sunday, May 26, 2013 4:10:54 PM UTC+4, Betsemes wrote:
>
>> On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 7:38 AM, la arxokuna <gleki.is...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> I have already seen the poor usage of {rei}.
>> >
>> > Where?
>>
>> In a corpus search.
>>
>> >> What are prohibitives? At face value it sounds like: "reinai ko broda"
>> >> (I forbid you to do/be broda). Is this what it means. As I guess it
>> >> is, it's just a command for not doing something, and thus pointless.
>> >> Could you enlighten me?
>> >
>> > Yes, for me it's just [COMMAND]-nai.
>>
>> So {reinai ko broda) = {rei ko na broda} Hmmm, I think it's as
>> pointless as the current meaning of {e'onai}.
>>
>
> In case of doubts we should always  change back to {sei broda}.
>
> {*rei=sei minde}
>
> I hope someone can make the full list of translations.
>
> Because sometimes {nai} acts like {to'e}, sometimes like {na'ei}.
>

Why are you using an experimental cmavo that means the same thing as na
without the logical negation?


>
>> >> So then, how a cmavo for commands would be defined?
>> >>
>> >> rei attitudinal: command - ????
>> >
>> > I suppose "command - command not to do".
>> > The second one is called prohibitive but I can't define it as a
>> prohibition
>> > as the latter has several meanings.
>>
>> How about this? "command - obedience optional"
>>
>> Now I have a question. May a suggestion be called "obedience optional"
>> and be stated as a command? If so, then that's {e'u}, but {e'u} is
>> paired with "warning". Personally, I think there is a difference
>> between "obedience optional" and "suggestion". I cannot precisely
>> explain it, I just feel it.
>>
>> mu'o mi'e betsemes
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On S=
un, May 26, 2013 at 7:30 AM, la arxokuna <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.=
com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Sunday, May 26, 2013 4:10:54 PM UTC+4, Be=
tsemes wrote:<div class=3D"im"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 7:38 AM, la arxokuna &lt;<a>gleki.is...@gmail.com</=
a>&gt; wrote:
<br>&gt;&gt; I have already seen the poor usage of {rei}.
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; Where?
<br>
<br>In a corpus search.
<br>
<br>&gt;&gt; What are prohibitives? At face value it sounds like: &quot;rei=
nai ko broda&quot;
<br>&gt;&gt; (I forbid you to do/be broda). Is this what it means. As I gue=
ss it
<br>&gt;&gt; is, it&#39;s just a command for not doing something, and thus =
pointless.
<br>&gt;&gt; Could you enlighten me?
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; Yes, for me it&#39;s just [COMMAND]-nai.
<br>
<br>So {reinai ko broda) =3D {rei ko na broda} Hmmm, I think it&#39;s as
<br>pointless as the current meaning of {e&#39;onai}.
<br></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>In case of doubts we should alwa=
ys =A0change back to {sei broda}.</div><div><br></div><div>{*rei=3Dsei mind=
e}</div><div><br></div><div>I hope someone can make the full list of transl=
ations.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Because sometimes {nai} acts like {to&#39;e}, sometimes=
 like {na&#39;ei}.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Why are you using =
an experimental cmavo that means the same thing as na without the logical n=
egation?<br>
</div><div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0=
 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><d=
iv class=3D"h5"><div></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<br>&gt;&gt; So then, how a cmavo for commands would be defined?
<br>&gt;&gt;
<br>&gt;&gt; rei attitudinal: command - ????
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; I suppose &quot;command - command not to do&quot;.
<br>&gt; The second one is called prohibitive but I can&#39;t define it as =
a prohibition
<br>&gt; as the latter has several meanings.
<br>
<br>How about this? &quot;command - obedience optional&quot;
<br>
<br>Now I have a question. May a suggestion be called &quot;obedience optio=
nal&quot;
<br>and be stated as a command? If so, then that&#39;s {e&#39;u}, but {e=
9;u} is
<br>paired with &quot;warning&quot;. Personally, I think there is a differe=
nce
<br>between &quot;obedience optional&quot; and &quot;suggestion&quot;. I ca=
nnot precisely
<br>explain it, I just feel it.
<br>
<br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e betsemes
<br></blockquote>

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