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MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_364_23953798.1369579804076" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_364_23953798.1369579804076 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sunday, May 26, 2013 5:48:23 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote: > > On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 7:30 AM, la arxokuna > > wrote: > >> On Sunday, May 26, 2013 4:10:54 PM UTC+4, Betsemes wrote: >> >>> On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 7:38 AM, la arxokuna >>> wrote: >>> >> I have already seen the poor usage of {rei}. >>> > >>> > Where? >>> >>> In a corpus search. >>> >>> >> What are prohibitives? At face value it sounds like: "reinai ko >>> broda" >>> >> (I forbid you to do/be broda). Is this what it means. As I guess it >>> >> is, it's just a command for not doing something, and thus pointless. >>> >> Could you enlighten me? >>> > >>> > Yes, for me it's just [COMMAND]-nai. >>> >>> So {reinai ko broda) = {rei ko na broda} Hmmm, I think it's as >>> pointless as the current meaning of {e'onai}. >>> >> >> In case of doubts we should always change back to {sei broda}. >> >> {*rei=sei minde} >> >> I hope someone can make the full list of translations. >> >> Because sometimes {nai} acts like {to'e}, sometimes like {na'ei}. >> > > Why are you using an experimental cmavo that means the same thing as na > without the logical negation? > Ok ok . May be it's just {na} . I don't know. I just wish we had jbo => translations of all UI including negated ones. > > >> >>> >> So then, how a cmavo for commands would be defined? >>> >> >>> >> rei attitudinal: command - ???? >>> > >>> > I suppose "command - command not to do". >>> > The second one is called prohibitive but I can't define it as a >>> prohibition >>> > as the latter has several meanings. >>> >>> How about this? "command - obedience optional" >>> >>> Now I have a question. May a suggestion be called "obedience optional" >>> and be stated as a command? If so, then that's {e'u}, but {e'u} is >>> paired with "warning". Personally, I think there is a difference >>> between "obedience optional" and "suggestion". I cannot precisely >>> explain it, I just feel it. >>> >>> mu'o mi'e betsemes >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to lojban+un...@googlegroups.com . >> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com >> . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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On Sunday, May 26, 2013 5:48:23 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 7:30 AM, la arxokuna <<= a href=3D"javascript:" target=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto=3D"B7kXCu0pZ= ncJ">gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, May 26, 2013 4:10:54 PM UTC+4, Be= tsemes wrote:



Because sometimes {nai} acts like {to'e}, sometimes lik= e {na'ei}.


=

>> So then, how a cmavo for commands would be defined?
>>
>> rei attitudinal: command - ????
>
> I suppose "command - command not to do".
> The second one is called prohibitive but I can't define it as a pr= ohibition
> as the latter has several meanings.

How about this? "command - obedience optional"

Now I have a question. May a suggestion be called "obedience optional"
and be stated as a command? If so, then that's {e'u}, but {e'u} is
paired with "warning". Personally, I think there is a difference
between "obedience optional" and "suggestion". I cannot precisely
explain it, I just feel it.

mu'o mi'e betsemes

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