Received: from mail-ea0-f190.google.com ([209.85.215.190]:34754) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UgyzF-0007xn-CG for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 27 May 2013 08:05:33 -0700 Received: by mail-ea0-f190.google.com with SMTP id q16sf1125720ead.7 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 08:05:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=SUHFWKGOWvKCmCp/Fc+7zTBcyBqSR2M2i3IZnx9g+0I=; b=t2QOqspsTH8NAW9GAevebBrJzH/KJeZIiwP0/1e24Wip9q7wlFHE0Gpr2DQwzfl+J3 lMVyt9JEwuc7EbuZfcJBevu/3voa+z7/8gLf9RjOFelB6+xFb7Xl9XBkLgCOkeAT+fKh rovJhDJ7yp46XwUQC6DanUlvA2jeIYHmhQ5KQC2k6md0zA8FWC6Z2UB4CJlVbPZAJOPs Wayl12yxf1EJpyHRWF8/8Wi/kJU4SfEY2grG5jZktWDLrdaNur8HNhYK7nQ8nRqBfZ5U 0p5vNvoW9Rd4exk86NW2SkBTt8FW2TaMUlvBMpoblJ8+9zH1sWNQLfldslaz9CB+wMtV cbAQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=SUHFWKGOWvKCmCp/Fc+7zTBcyBqSR2M2i3IZnx9g+0I=; b=HxHOVRziBtmjCLWJdiE837yvLwuDaNrXhmI5L3oI8nWRUo37QuS8Fya54GcXTgrMVa bjZ2JeRnJJVAILIlCq46wNvL4k+Si2qkxbgw+vaYO9oYSul6refj/Lsn3udPgE4DuNJz pXmjdrnymdw1bH+GgMoeMLWLa1JgKzE2qHSrnhwQYeRalsXok9tDB7GBFyDhDxtk6mPI v0vAjDjgvfAwTnyQ0EGL9+VUvi1KoABmd18L31w+kKHl5wwgJiM4jJRLXeDYn1wEDRc9 FSDXLLwDncPooXGOR2hg54mblVs4w7PJds33ABOfQVlU2vFv7R3bAd0IW3tC5GpXDTLE g4JQ== X-Received: by 10.180.99.6 with SMTP id em6mr624782wib.8.1369667117936; Mon, 27 May 2013 08:05:17 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.189.69 with SMTP id gg5ls849251wic.48.gmail; Mon, 27 May 2013 08:05:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.205.25.135 with SMTP id ri7mr2221937bkb.0.1369667117001; Mon, 27 May 2013 08:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-la0-x22f.google.com (mail-la0-x22f.google.com [2a00:1450:4010:c03::22f]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i9si2414424bki.2.2013.05.27.08.05.16 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 27 May 2013 08:05:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of betsemes@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::22f as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4010:c03::22f; Received: by mail-la0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id fq12so6510652lab.20 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 08:05:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.30.103 with SMTP id r7mr14584321lah.25.1369667116822; Mon, 27 May 2013 08:05:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.127.196 with HTTP; Mon, 27 May 2013 08:05:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 11:05:16 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] cmevla as a class of brivla From: Betsemes To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: betsemes@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of betsemes@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::22f as permitted sender) smtp.mail=betsemes@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / coi rodo While reading the other thread on commands, I noticed this sentence by la gleki: "e'i si ei si xoi si sei bilga mi bazu troci lo ka stika lo tatoebas jufra" "lo tatoebas jufra" is ungrammatical according to standard lojban, but I have been seeing around that de facto may be different from the standard. I now think that standard lojban naming rules are broken, and using cmevla as brivla is the way to go, at least on the field of naming. I found this old conversation: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/lojban/rSXFTFeMA_o in which Robin said the rules weren't broken. I now strongly disagree. So my question is what's de facto on this subject? mu'o mi'e betsemes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.