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Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: cmevla as a class of brivla
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On 27 May 2013 16:40, la arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
> However, I'm not sure what {lo .paris.} would mean under this proposal.
>
> If cmevla as brivla are considered as names then lo .paris. = la .paris.
>
> If cmevla is a new class of verbs/content words/predicates (whatever you
call it) that's another story.

{lo .paris.} would mean the first place of {.paris.} as a selbri. {.paris.}
would have such a definition as
x1 me lo se cmene be zo .paris.
, and {lo} would be pulling its x1 out. It's functionally a description
sumti like {lo fraso}, not a name sumti (cmene) like {la fraso}. {lo
.paris.} and {la .paris.} would mean effectively the same, but by different
mechanisms.

Cmevla & brivla could still be morphologically distinct, but syntactically
unified under "selbri" or "tanru-unit" (along also with GOhA, NU sentence
KEI, etc.). I'm not sure about calling it "cmevla as a class of brivla".
The key criteria of traditional brivla are:
- having a place structure
- having a consonant cluster
- ending with a vowel
If cmevla were to be a class of (a subset of) brivla, we'd have to get rid
of the second and third rules, but that would leave the door open also to
cmavo with a place structure such as {du}.

mu'o

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>On 27 May 2013 16:40, la arxokuna &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrot=
e:<br>&gt; However, I&#39;m not sure what {lo .paris.} would mean under thi=
s proposal.<br>
&gt;<br>&gt; If cmevla as brivla are considered as names then lo .paris. =
=3D la .paris.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; If cmevla is a new class of verbs/content wo=
rds/predicates (whatever you call it) that&#39;s another story.<br><br></di=
v>
<div></div><div>{lo .paris.} would mean the first place of {.paris.} as a s=
elbri. {.paris.} would have such a definition as<br></div><div>x1 me lo se =
cmene be zo .paris.<br></div><div>, and {lo} would be pulling its x1 out. I=
t&#39;s functionally a description sumti like {lo fraso}, not a name sumti =
(cmene) like {la fraso}. {lo .paris.} and {la .paris.} would mean effective=
ly the same, but by different mechanisms.<br>
</div><div><br></div><div>Cmevla &amp; brivla could still be morphologicall=
y distinct, but syntactically unified under &quot;selbri&quot; or &quot;tan=
ru-unit&quot; (along also with GOhA, NU sentence KEI, etc.). I&#39;m not su=
re about calling it &quot;cmevla as a class of brivla&quot;. The key criter=
ia of traditional brivla are:<br>
</div><div>- having a place structure<br>- having a consonant cluster<br>- =
ending with a vowel<br></div><div>If cmevla were to be a class of (a subset=
 of) brivla, we&#39;d have to get rid of the second and third rules, but th=
at would leave the door open also to cmavo with a place structure such as {=
du}.<br>
</div><br></div><div><div>mu&#39;o<br></div></div></div>

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