Received: from mail-la0-f59.google.com ([209.85.215.59]:47910) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Uhr3b-0003VR-2e for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 29 May 2013 17:49:39 -0700 Received: by mail-la0-f59.google.com with SMTP id em20sf1689852lab.14 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 17:49:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=uBj3tGC2ahkM6KIeUZ0KtI9NazC9277rcRKqx8XYYx4=; b=rCAFcyNg9f/FpjS/17XGUvnwe7hb50/JFawPUnP/XMbET5ehlIgCkOZ6FTBxhTo6am lajBG2olf9ywaL4P2DTrwZ0kMHmErtFyR+YMGnHvmyOhZnSVY/3LFuAUIMr1SNMbYKec zMDCeOLnYfuaaTpUVAyEidWd9viCLJrmNHQEYXsMuMigFhMlcNMwC4Wh3MFBSRbKGxUC bLK7dG6hOtRd06qbMI6BDapr+ANVdeN2IgIcmf/rw3W59Z9JpHuFE9iPlcFXTREn8nZO S005wrD+DNHnRaDxNXBGGzIa7u7CAQWzgZKWBeOkSr7VkaZ2g6g3qXS2oV1Arxg9Md8a QCVg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=uBj3tGC2ahkM6KIeUZ0KtI9NazC9277rcRKqx8XYYx4=; b=IcfL+V34w6BV+fC0wL5oygVjbzFrkRO7gNgEW9srbZSzQC9xc0A3u/JIkD7e1FYz9N PkfhbSNitnL8jeJvtAgCHGo1GfRbgafkpxStTqnzeRwDKX2o3KYQXalkzTffBLO0X5sU EY67fJKBfu8oKOJRZ7Km1hK7Thxcipl2QVZDByWx3wBh+5wRgoZJQIqm9PTUkjGy3ZLr oqTPZh5KddeeXt4ZGq++MhP/nPtQPi5hLy1Sfl8GPyXVCnlwjjsE1kcqpUStdbnSrHKp Ie87jrAuUKrUDp1MIGLdu6JT8v4ZPmQb70ZP+TnrHaJe0ho+NgM8SOtM//Y4iyq+He/U 8SDw== X-Received: by 10.180.37.141 with SMTP id y13mr1849341wij.20.1369874958318; Wed, 29 May 2013 17:49:18 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.38.11 with SMTP id c11ls121182wik.6.gmail; Wed, 29 May 2013 17:49:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.204.228.132 with SMTP id je4mr639105bkb.6.1369874957271; Wed, 29 May 2013 17:49:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-la0-x230.google.com (mail-la0-x230.google.com [2a00:1450:4010:c03::230]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i9si3264449bki.2.2013.05.29.17.49.17 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 29 May 2013 17:49:17 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of betsemes@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::230 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4010:c03::230; Received: by mail-la0-f48.google.com with SMTP id fs12so9355810lab.35 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 17:49:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.23.102 with SMTP id l6mr2398474laf.54.1369874956952; Wed, 29 May 2013 17:49:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.125.178 with HTTP; Wed, 29 May 2013 17:49:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <51A6685C.3010505@lojban.org> References: <51A379EF.3020803@gmx.de> <51A6685C.3010505@lojban.org> Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 20:49:16 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] cmevla as a class of brivla From: Betsemes To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: betsemes@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of betsemes@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::230 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=betsemes@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Robert LeChevalier wrote: > These are brivla used as "nicknames". All sorts of words are used as > nicknames in English, but they are not really "names". Presumably no one > would be given a nickname as their legal name, if Lojban were ever adopted > as a legal language. And what make nicknames and real names different? Nothing. The only difference is that a nickname is not the person's legal name. If Lojban would become mainstream, people very well may attempt to name a child with a brivla. > The naming system to be used in a hypothetical Lojban-speaking society > cannot be determined. No doubt it would abide by the language conventions > of the tie. No doubt it would IF it's adopted. But mount enough "inconvenient" rules on a language and it will remain to be a nice geeky toy and nothing more. The rules of the language clearly allows for brivla to be used for naming, so people may consider them as an alternative. The current naming rules make the language impractical. Lojbanistan as it is now, is only fiction and that most likely will continue to be unless rules are made to be more flexible. mu'o mi'e bersemes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.