Received: from mail-qa0-f59.google.com ([209.85.216.59]:39471) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UhvA9-0004up-3s for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 29 May 2013 22:12:43 -0700 Received: by mail-qa0-f59.google.com with SMTP id o13sf59839qaj.14 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 22:12:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=BBC9zP5DqfQPsc6li4ztpN0LcILbnBRTZBn8Pg1ZrcI=; b=Ix+oQhEZExn6Zm0ycrSugXSfUlz5l4+ruOLDZCCEk9U8+1IB2Q3CuKP5da+wuvbfe7 5m+cXt+nFTOoyt1IEFN68xAx0iaHFaYqIHhqr4iiQUMoY90FldJ/Kq8RTz2sbjo3phgV mFwQ3SNhqrF6ETeF1ZwckOrAbUHiPK0r6AKRlB7BDe9qD7Jy1FVwTpvDu2/Ksa5HYDmu nBs8JEXF3N94pX1ef3bn+E6fqE/4FbHNmBPW2MGyEhfSL7e6b8+fNTkJeiZrEIGyxbfL 3Y00S8JDCpQiKBYLaSWhQJJ9wKxrJPNV22XRxnJ2VOJy9rImKYl2o0eyRvMT8Cakb/7v F4GA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=BBC9zP5DqfQPsc6li4ztpN0LcILbnBRTZBn8Pg1ZrcI=; b=mQ5R7nzV3TXaWAZL3BfwcKCpjTtncxEdXyx9tPDGRXzbd15ZP0trBRKQxV8SIKKur0 X24Q6whZFHzOPkDXFvWBiyvb6dQFcLzvwCssX7tWqk7YJLs1EQVvabGgENf+8kO6kyrd Li4Y7/jsT7+LO8JsRwCgOwiAmi2DNzA4zTpiAOnxT6GhD/cAUAM2x/A8ZxPJ7mqkoK8K +ho/Gw3r3GaZpRFaS5vlzUJY5KOMniiZr9C5Rv75+9IGAj84+vXypncSy4Qd6gfROvam 71YOQd/ogGxnXkpz5wJlZKNlHvZKT7gPzIdIWvU/Rb8KCK1/ThCQb71WeMdp7C+wPWcz CRsg== X-Received: by 10.49.6.201 with SMTP id d9mr506649qea.12.1369890746678; Wed, 29 May 2013 22:12:26 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.48.233 with SMTP id p9ls241810qen.60.gmail; Wed, 29 May 2013 22:12:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.49.106.231 with SMTP id gx7mr503047qeb.6.1369890746115; Wed, 29 May 2013 22:12:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 22:12:25 -0700 (PDT) From: la arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <4edc5214-5273-49f9-9245-b1d47359777a@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <2718750.fulPsy5vnL@caracal> References: <51A6685C.3010505@lojban.org> <2718750.fulPsy5vnL@caracal> Subject: Re: [lojban] cmevla as a class of brivla MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6867_1932601.1369890745683" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_6867_1932601.1369890745683 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thursday, May 30, 2013 8:49:46 AM UTC+4, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 20:49:16 Betsemes wrote:=20 > > And what make nicknames and real names different? Nothing. The only=20 > > difference is that a nickname is not the person's legal name. If=20 > > Lojban would become mainstream, people very well may attempt to name a= =20 > > child with a brivla.=20 > > There are countries with laws on the linguistic forms of allowed names.= =20 > Iceland requires that names be declinable in Icelandic. Turkey prohibits= =20 > some=20 > non-Turkic letters in names, which annoys Kurds, who use these letters in= =20 > both=20 > names and ordinary words in their language. Why shouldn't Lojbangug have= =20 > such=20 > a law?=20 > > I favor keeping cmevla and brivla syntactically distinct. We've already= =20 > eliminated the adjective and the adverb. adjectives are NOI-clauses. Adverbs are sei-clauses or fi'o-clauses. Alternatively, both of them are tanru. Why eliminate the noun as well?=20 > > Pierre=20 > --=20 > La sal en el mar es m=E1s que en la sangre.=20 > Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang.=20 > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. ------=_Part_6867_1932601.1369890745683 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Thursday, May 30, 2013 8:49:46 AM UTC+4, Pierre Abbat wrote:On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 20:49:1= 6 Betsemes wrote:
> And what make nicknames and real names different? Nothing. The onl= y
> difference is that a nickname is not the person's legal name. If
> Lojban would become mainstream, people very well may attempt to na= me a
> child with a brivla.

There are countries with laws on the linguistic forms of allowed names.= =20
Iceland requires that names be declinable in Icelandic. Turkey prohibit= s some=20
non-Turkic letters in names, which annoys Kurds, who use these letters = in both=20
names and ordinary words in their language. Why shouldn't Lojbangug hav= e such=20
a law?

I favor keeping cmevla and brivla syntactically distinct. We've already= =20
eliminated the adjective and the adverb.

adjectives are NOI-clauses.
Adverbs are sei-clauses or fi'o-cla= uses.
Alternatively, both of them are tanru.

=

Why eliminate = the noun as well?

Pierre
--=20
La sal en el mar es m=E1s que en la sangre.
Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang.

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