Received: from mail-yh0-f55.google.com ([209.85.213.55]:46108) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Uhvlt-000546-IZ for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 29 May 2013 22:51:47 -0700 Received: by mail-yh0-f55.google.com with SMTP id f64sf2026517yha.10 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 22:51:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=LH8hjzLOgOfJ1T0TE+0SOSazVY3ENZx8NF8AXfS5AyE=; b=cbAu/sCmjE6tdKyRyTY4bw0tpwmfmoMB2ZA/K9vDt+enkZwIOZUGwTsqCc6jRkDrA5 l/Tp2XRQD5Kc1Z2PImAJY9VeJ8JsXU0UnYvVAfedhSDcT7ZGWxeD84GRguLnbbAe7azu ly66GlsSkw6caZM+GOiDyw0oYrUmSIoX3s0Oqh+vP1+YNDgka4BLwkvLEGTcRCbHDAu9 xuQMi+P0Yx4oCLa6Hv9OYxK7dJshYFNXNhuwO+e8/JYalfIIiKDmQ0JB7l+mtH3Lb7Ac qQksFei/E7RfKSeg6ZlKpdoWNQ8aaiOwXIPs4kg05E2yuCjlol2ID7Yt3H5gYdlpWtgQ fFSQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=LH8hjzLOgOfJ1T0TE+0SOSazVY3ENZx8NF8AXfS5AyE=; b=BS9cTPimoj5iCbFzwbyBLSEZQPp0F2ufHkICSLApCJjSaQd0q2765FAKOyyEIxiuBf ljL87x4YWJeIApgMkJ/oK4lai0nnnAtQ29LOA8QnF12qZ073q/0cSx8DYmmP8qI+tgpi N3HS4DOZM47hqqTCoATbHUrlwYNxPvrhW8cvr5iy4AFV6JjieekEdbD6E5dpYYDcvaBi jwt9u2LogaplI4RP7QWn/mZKo7IrqfxoGxmK6tHEM+1BjEndiDWqnMM7hOCV82sWvqaA 7+81QM4O9KvWse0fWSfxXDMwgSjDQIXnP6La8/J6PDTQIXtbWZn10Zj/rK7IJxhYLKuZ L7rw== X-Received: by 10.50.147.98 with SMTP id tj2mr873827igb.10.1369893087253; Wed, 29 May 2013 22:51:27 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.164.138 with SMTP id yq10ls319907igb.28.gmail; Wed, 29 May 2013 22:51:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.43.96.197 with SMTP id ch5mr4500981icc.17.1369893086678; Wed, 29 May 2013 22:51:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ie0-x230.google.com (mail-ie0-x230.google.com [2607:f8b0:4001:c03::230]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i6si2523334igv.2.2013.05.29.22.51.26 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 29 May 2013 22:51:26 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c03::230 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4001:c03::230; Received: by mail-ie0-f176.google.com with SMTP id at1so27145016iec.21 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 22:51:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.42.88.144 with SMTP id c16mr2513423icm.29.1369893085883; Wed, 29 May 2013 22:51:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.152.68 with HTTP; Wed, 29 May 2013 22:51:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <51A6685C.3010505@lojban.org> References: <51A379EF.3020803@gmx.de> <51A6685C.3010505@lojban.org> Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 07:51:25 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] cmevla as a class of brivla From: Remo Dentato To: lojban X-Original-Sender: rdentato@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c03::230 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rdentato@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba3fd5e7c3b63704dde9160e X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --90e6ba3fd5e7c3b63704dde9160e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Robert LeChevalier wrote: > > betsemes >> ... >> xorxes >> > > These are cmene > > arxokuna >> ... >> tsani >> > > These are brivla used as "nicknames". I thougth that {betsemes}, {xorxes}, etc. were cmevla, not cmene. My understanding was that a cmene was everything that could be used as x1 of {cmene} (which includes quoted brivla). That said, {la} was a gadri meaning "the one/someone called ...." and that was true regardless a cmevla or a brivla were used. After all many languages (if not all) have proper nouns that also have a meaning in itself (like "Fiore"->"Flower", "Bella"->"beautyful", "Remo"->"oar" for Italian). Of course I might have been at fault for all this time. This is why I would welcome the Merge. It would make rules about names simpler. remod -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. 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On W= ed, May 29, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Robert LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org>= ; wrote:

betsemes
...
xorxes

These are cmene

arxokuna
...
tsani

These are brivla used as "nicknames".

I thougth that {betsemes}, {xorxes}, etc. were cmevla, not cmene.=A0 = My understanding was that a cmene was everything that could be used as x1 o= f {cmene} (which includes quoted brivla).
That said, {la} was a gadri meaning "the one/someone called= ...." and that was true regardless a cmevla or a brivla were used. Af= ter all many languages (if not all) have proper nouns that also have a mean= ing in itself (like "Fiore"->"Flower", "Bella&q= uot;->"beautyful", "Remo"->"oar" for It= alian).

Of course I might have been at fault for all this time.
<= /div>

This is why I would welcome the Merge. It would ma= ke rules about names simpler.

remod

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