Received: from mail-wg0-f64.google.com ([74.125.82.64]:64190) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Ui0oz-0006Ua-Bj for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 30 May 2013 04:15:16 -0700 Received: by mail-wg0-f64.google.com with SMTP id l18sf27470wgh.9 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 04:14:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=MvC1caM+y87pW8QeKgZw1c87lGJQR4XAZSuSbIjlQJY=; b=bsm8vVsePYSq69JTas9UDllKrB3ndvcRLeiCrvoyhMXkZq0QnGV+gQOCSLRN8R7lHo /8aLhk5+iM4+7Do12AtpWGLjuQE2hKnPFebN//w4iWEArAQNISgAz5/ApfwhioTxNEuu Pt9r1X/q0fj2gTL4H10O/ATNWfl/QEQvDsvyAVnhMuer1AHDcsZGDXBnsJ3Mho9NBRzI hTpRzddTge7JJVDIIs46/5FiCZI4tWgNlJaLpjGlAX7EHZDNGhKTcd6nK2ld0/kknh6w s80Hpp9OkYSnIJFyIPVWNXaQfmrdHdR4LQ+oF/1niufTo0opxe9QY5wDPUfhyM61wWSC 2JCQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=MvC1caM+y87pW8QeKgZw1c87lGJQR4XAZSuSbIjlQJY=; b=EoooZymWQYuiwKXQA2XY39BCb+Z0tvvALFoYKyrz2KUNaWTfTJfMu05h6hc/xoS/0U 6+lf3DsECtLwzBLEzKj9e5tAp5ZtP/CE1MW1pLUbuoNGjiiaLyk4jv16VZq705JQNq7+ kXkGFSeiAym4//2ZQ1OSIfbzf92XIT+B+gjIqUCgvvxy/6c1Y5XXCTdIYMxsJOdyW57V dlHIuWSTm67CP9O/lEW4xi7UUHQ029AmxHFUHtHGFNGQhRCUdV8yRauA0FjpG5FlZOik lZGn2M0ck3t7BP2C4T7JKvzy/+2UBjLqvLvF6JnvTXDw5VqF9vpQP3FiuAh6AYQphPnc RLMQ== X-Received: by 10.180.75.77 with SMTP id a13mr734526wiw.13.1369912498211; Thu, 30 May 2013 04:14:58 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.87.42 with SMTP id u10ls1824841wiz.33.canary; Thu, 30 May 2013 04:14:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.204.235.129 with SMTP id kg1mr753585bkb.7.1369912497691; Thu, 30 May 2013 04:14:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f180.google.com (mail-lb0-f180.google.com [209.85.217.180]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ev8si1787429bkc.1.2013.05.30.04.14.56 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 30 May 2013 04:14:56 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of betsemes@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.180 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.180; Received: by mail-lb0-f180.google.com with SMTP id r10so395517lbi.39 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 04:14:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.201.102 with SMTP id jz6mr21436lbc.42.1369912496360; Thu, 30 May 2013 04:14:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.125.178 with HTTP; Thu, 30 May 2013 04:14:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2718750.fulPsy5vnL@caracal> References: <51A6685C.3010505@lojban.org> <2718750.fulPsy5vnL@caracal> Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 07:14:56 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] cmevla as a class of brivla From: Betsemes To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: betsemes@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of betsemes@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.180 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=betsemes@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 12:49 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > There are countries with laws on the linguistic forms of allowed names. > Iceland requires that names be declinable in Icelandic. Turkey prohibits some > non-Turkic letters in names, which annoys Kurds, who use these letters in both > names and ordinary words in their language. Why shouldn't Lojbangug have such > a law? Because Lojbangug doesn't exist, it's fictional and Lojban has not been accepted anywhere. The need for such a law makes even the most remote possibility of Lojban being adopted even remoter. All this argument falls apart if you argue that Lojban is not intended to become mainstream, but if so then what's the point of making a language if it's not intended for real use? > I favor keeping cmevla and brivla syntactically distinct. We've already > eliminated the adjective and the adverb. Why eliminate the noun as well? I favor them to be merged. It'd simplify the grammar, making Lojban more attractive to the mainstream. Currently, naming is the weakest point for accomplishing this. mu'o mi'e betsemes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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