Received: from mail-we0-f187.google.com ([74.125.82.187]:60394) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Ui1T3-0006kr-DK for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 30 May 2013 04:56:44 -0700 Received: by mail-we0-f187.google.com with SMTP id m19sf35861wev.14 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 04:56:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+yDhZa0IIxo6rPAD/H+ELbP0FGWc17D761lRn58J0r0=; b=kdUBkO/QvHZQHqoCZjEW4D8SqBY+XY0wN6Xdps3fDQ8ikCvHqY/cR7tr2fvb8BhxmO 3nVLKL6DgL7/ai2yWfti+BLn15iOPGJvB+/tLkwBPjn4wbA40XnjnFSgAML9+mTg/oOe BMowOane9T5zuh9mIG/1k2CYSOEaLyQeyc1H56+o3dF81QMIh9qBYI24prMx8r7j/K/t ikMH7Mb+YkgUtnvNpanPx33sdUyNqf6/jnE0EoxC77N3ah3lEjf9NAqkZvXbOau2089b MVg3nH7TzRuVRty9dBUXwmzhIKTw26Bm7XyCZod0lPB+Qt1vC0PP5bqmUvrQ3QqSQ115 vcoA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+yDhZa0IIxo6rPAD/H+ELbP0FGWc17D761lRn58J0r0=; b=gQIttwlex73eItyjMYvxaP1+vjzbX+PgUmD+bIpmmfceJyoPoWbzQO5urw/dGffujs dn+L3pStypecbQr6b1KV8OD1LcxeVRY+gwcqd/CXEaGEe2GJwD0oySJ1ZAGJMBygNPyr 6DJK05NVjDSYbVkCICI3LwZQBXLB1WfCJVqjQeAg6ne4JGuOEDIyxLUSKl1ZrErPbRrB h6oUM4fpYXFNSobum6DwNJGSJQHIHQzTA8DKzgog1U3ngOixLjFMMHArLxFNmOIBoInV 51Zcj8xBszXcXJKmnQ/2HhH8PiSH40+/pYqqcznpL/H5Tm27zS8kius1ueEw9wY8ODqj bBbg== X-Received: by 10.180.189.6 with SMTP id ge6mr1970066wic.6.1369914982303; Thu, 30 May 2013 04:56:22 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.78.197 with SMTP id d5ls233339wix.18.gmail; Thu, 30 May 2013 04:56:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.204.183.197 with SMTP id ch5mr765471bkb.3.1369914979784; Thu, 30 May 2013 04:56:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-la0-x232.google.com (mail-la0-x232.google.com [2a00:1450:4010:c03::232]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cm16si3409085bkb.0.2013.05.30.04.56.19 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 30 May 2013 04:56:19 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of betsemes@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::232 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4010:c03::232; Received: by mail-la0-x232.google.com with SMTP id ed20so144924lab.9 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 04:56:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.170.194 with SMTP id ao2mr3350331lac.48.1369914979590; Thu, 30 May 2013 04:56:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.125.178 with HTTP; Thu, 30 May 2013 04:56:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <51A379EF.3020803@gmx.de> <51A6685C.3010505@lojban.org> Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 07:56:19 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] cmevla as a class of brivla From: Betsemes To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: betsemes@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of betsemes@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::232 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=betsemes@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 5:25 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Robert LeChevalier >> These are brivla used as "nicknames". All sorts of words are used as >> nicknames in English, but they are not really "names". Presumably no on= e >> would be given a nickname as their legal name, if Lojban were ever adopt= ed >> as a legal language. > > I find this hard to reconcile. Why is .camgusmis., which we all know is n= ot > Robin's given name, not a nickname, but tsani is? Is it simply because on= e > if a cmene and the other is only a cmevla? > > What about the dog named Bear? Would calling him la cribe when speaking i= n > Lojban not be calling him by name, but by nickname? We have to call him > la.cribes. to call him by name? I want to add that within countries where Spanish is the official language, is common to find names like: Consuelo Margarita Soledad Pastor Purificaci=F3n Concepci=F3n Rosa Linda Bella Amado (which in Lojban is {selpa'i}, one of those "nicknames") Pura Mercado (this means "market" and it's a surname) This list is what I could list from the top of my head. All of those are used as names and are "content words" too. So, "presumably" *nobody* would give anyone a nickname? Think again. mu'o mi'e betsemes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.