Received: from mail-ob0-f190.google.com ([209.85.214.190]:51183) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Ui1j0-0006pg-Rh for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 30 May 2013 05:13:14 -0700 Received: by mail-ob0-f190.google.com with SMTP id up14sf56353obb.27 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 05:12:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=gmtlyV98YdoeEbXhy7Ku9r/kni7dqnn3Y1S3WMq01gw=; b=WoqFV/xiw5Ntl0mBK5xe2efxRRJBiV5WHaNcE7fAJxjIL9LCPzVrv/X33HUTbolKEO +IfxDNDHlfzcIR6l6BFMNldGqbMn2EWlLDWFjVD5zSY0Z50RRhgkJ8Cwnpgp/rEQDq+I h3ambZ62M1UFPy7NfipGBKTj78hVAdihB48xJUqOk4bhM/Pldcy49uZqaHEwFSK1NxhB T/QzEDr+1dHSBCGw7h9GkNcBdpz5q645JM6Szo3dG6F2x8ctXqLQ2KrJCvQ5aw0hxYPz ktkXjqlvxZFNI0iDG9UtUwHp+o4FZ24QhCAZoGPpBvs594N5U579mZut1hWYlu88sTsk TKwQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=gmtlyV98YdoeEbXhy7Ku9r/kni7dqnn3Y1S3WMq01gw=; b=EvMSBotRY6IXpJf/TMhtXiR0uA1OeVaSKVsOu0cjvFNRByvzAV2BPBK1WmCuiN2Q33 wl7g2OMCh4t8gEGoHsswDj/5GlVeptNTDsVYPdKMF80JI2g+j/MPF8sOdCktOeDv4cBO nlG8wTLg4dz6oj/bvbChO0I8otWVmXh2itvW4mLPP3mORJuHRW5YNycv7pAoO8CVOdSP BVItR3tAsU1YhwEtge1q4R00O4FiHJ1z/yJK+pm1YEnQFToHNUDcvxrAHbuJa4f2AsWg Rr5awcb70Ndem+M68mZm2Rzu6xJatT0iy8fVpjWftvMFHL4yMb9eJQX9rzvoKv84VE4Y w91Q== X-Received: by 10.49.24.37 with SMTP id r5mr544641qef.10.1369915971939; Thu, 30 May 2013 05:12:51 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.130.233 with SMTP id oh9ls376974qeb.5.gmail; Thu, 30 May 2013 05:12:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.49.0.81 with SMTP id 17mr548237qec.16.1369915971326; Thu, 30 May 2013 05:12:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 05:12:50 -0700 (PDT) From: la arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <959ec86e-9750-4503-9a2f-56dae1867658@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: <2718750.fulPsy5vnL@caracal> <4edc5214-5273-49f9-9245-b1d47359777a@googlegroups.com> <2958463.tuZCQxhdY2@caracal> Subject: Re: [lojban] cmevla as a class of brivla MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4020_8268479.1369915970883" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_4020_8268479.1369915970883 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thursday, May 30, 2013 3:10:18 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote: > > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 3:45 AM, la arxokuna > > wrote: > >> On Thursday, May 30, 2013 11:07:11 AM UTC+4, Pierre Abbat wrote: >>> >>> On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 22:12:25 la arxokuna wrote: >>> > adjectives are NOI-clauses. >>> > Adverbs are sei-clauses or fi'o-clauses. >>> > Alternatively, both of them are tanru. >>> >>> A NOI clause is a relative clause. >> >> >> Yes, and relative clauses are adjectives. >> > > No. > A cat which is black = black cat > > I'm not sure what you mean by "fi'o- >>> clauses"; I think you mean a prepositional phrase. Neither is an >>> adjective or >>> adverb; >> >> >> they are adverbs. >> > > No. > > >> those parts of speech, which are classes of single words, don't exist >>> in Lojban. >> >> >> All SAE languages have adverbs. Lojban is no exception. >> > > Lojban is not an SAE language. > Lojban must optionally work as a SAE language. Otherwise it's alien and not usable by SAE-speakers. > > >> There is no syntactic difference between "le mlatu cu blabi" and "le >>> blabi cu mlatu", indicating that "mlatu" and "blabi" belong to the same >>> part >>> of speech. >>> >> >> {le mlatu} is a noun. >> > > *sumti > > >> {mlatu} is a verb. >> > > *selbri > The more you replace understandable terms to fenki terms the fewer people are willing to learn Lojban. Of course it's your choice but please don't try ban other terminologies for the same language. > > >> >> >> >>> Pierre >>> -- >>> lo ponse be lo mruli ku po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to lojban+un...@googlegroups.com . >> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com >> . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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On Thursday, May 30, 2013 3:10:18 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 3:45 AM, la arxokuna <= ;gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, May 30, 2013 11:07:11 AM U= TC+4, Pierre Abbat wrote:
On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 22:12:25 la arxokuna wrote:
> adjectives are NOI-clauses.
> Adverbs are sei-clauses or fi'o-clauses.
> Alternatively, both of them are tanru.

A NOI clause is a relative clause.

Yes, and relative clauses are adjectives.

No.

A c= at which is black =3D black cat
 

I'm not sure what = you mean by "fi'o-
clauses"; I think you mean a prepositional phrase. Neither is an adject= ive or=20
adverb;

they are adverbs.

No.
 
those parts of spe= ech, which are classes of single words, don't exist=20
in Lojban.

All SAE languages have= adverbs. Lojban is no exception.

Loj= ban is not an SAE language.
Lojban must optionally work as a SAE language. Otherwise it's = alien and not usable by SAE-speakers.
 
 
There is no syntac= tic difference between "le mlatu cu blabi" and "le=20
blabi cu mlatu", indicating that "mlatu" and "blabi" belong to the same= part=20
of speech.

{le mlatu} is a noun.

*sumti
 
{mlatu} is a verb.

*selbri


The m= ore you replace understandable terms to fenki terms the fewer people are wi= lling to learn Lojban.
Of course it's your choice but please don'= t try ban other terminologies for the same language.


 
=
 



Pierre
--=20
lo ponse be lo mruli ku po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko

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