Received: from mail-bk0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:47912) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Ui1uX-0006wO-Hf for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 30 May 2013 05:24:59 -0700 Received: by mail-bk0-f61.google.com with SMTP id ik5sf41108bkc.6 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 05:24:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=vGEl2qYUwyWXyyBXppwR9LLUVq+hcJyZUZ9igfgGcck=; b=UKfx0i+6hzv3LUd9Gd+j76lPPxFETqFone52FeRISYRfLHwvFoWvNCHqFzIdvDtqW4 0n6MOZEcaVQlD7/ifknJ2y8ZAtJAcp6/gnynjplSR5HvmKx+KQPiG4lOaowu2dZOZp4T KZIbfoiawND7RNwAV4RNyQW5Sk9WshZgUEN10+y8BFh4tetyx2nvuELIOTOoZ5FuQWWv nDc0vcFZ5Bgn3tJytB3jTaFoDdWTc3UkZ5gVJ6x3YFqr7wubKvPAZj2m60pD1Ktr1piE Rbawky/FHuCtWOHOSFyKOqsJbNMhRG5lez/Nj4XVvDR+jwH4mZ+Asct6wATVzvTR1yha 4ynA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=vGEl2qYUwyWXyyBXppwR9LLUVq+hcJyZUZ9igfgGcck=; b=cTtfm+l0vETb7WPObvOCe5X+tmzIWjqLMdzLwGkMti8vY81Mrb3SpQzeT1mwOFOUTn Ul0GRjA+lqX4EgMiAf3hmOWOXaSszqZUCh6I6IqIjafswai7PNocdhWsY7cnqeEgINt5 WHu/jaIq9Fq6T/fA3EftBSIR40+qy+ws5ZtxlUuQEJuNDbE+Ab9JOLURC60KW3TRuk3Y O6uUOINht2jEq2pA8R1xQXw19CzHX3PgK/Ml6/9gAldhwf8l0OmNQ0gBGJEuCxyXM7nw MBkBbvodeI+hpSZyGS9/7J5Yj5zPpHg+iwPQ/sh/d9zn3W4tBudOSDAyZv1mvinz+YdK /XqA== X-Received: by 10.180.12.70 with SMTP id w6mr1912109wib.0.1369916686183; Thu, 30 May 2013 05:24:46 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.13.52 with SMTP id e20ls242031wic.4.gmail; Thu, 30 May 2013 05:24:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.205.32.144 with SMTP id sk16mr772609bkb.4.1369916685286; Thu, 30 May 2013 05:24:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f170.google.com (mail-lb0-f170.google.com [209.85.217.170]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i9si3414670bki.2.2013.05.30.05.24.45 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 30 May 2013 05:24:45 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.170 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.170; Received: by mail-lb0-f170.google.com with SMTP id t13so470073lbd.15 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 05:24:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.126.161 with SMTP id mz1mr3501756lbb.21.1369916684983; Thu, 30 May 2013 05:24:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.1.166 with HTTP; Thu, 30 May 2013 05:24:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <51A379EF.3020803@gmx.de> <51A6685C.3010505@lojban.org> Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 06:24:44 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] cmevla as a class of brivla From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c3746461635104ddee95de X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --001a11c3746461635104ddee95de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Betsemes wrote: > Under the merge; > {lo tatoebas jufra} may be written as {lo jufra pe la tatoebas}. > I think you have this one backwards. > {lo karce pe la betsemes} could be written {lo betsemes karce} > But what about {lo karce pe la selpa'i}? > {lo selpa'i karce}? This would mean something totally different, > "beloved car", not Selpa'i's car. > > Of course, all of them may be rewritten as > lo la tatoebas ku jufra > lo la betsemes ku karce > lo la selpa'i ku karce > > Apparently this last case has no simpler alternative. > > mu'o mi'e betsemes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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On T= hu, May 30, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Betsemes <betsemes@gmail.com> = wrote:
Under the merge;
{lo tatoebas jufra} may be written as {lo jufra pe la tatoebas}.

I think you have this one backwards.
=A0
{lo karce pe la betsemes} could be written {lo betsemes karce}=A0

But what about {lo karce pe la selpa'i}?
{lo selpa'i karce}? This would mean something totally different,
"beloved car", not Selpa'i's car.

Of course, all of them may be rewritten as
lo la tatoebas ku jufra
lo la betsemes ku karce
lo la selpa'i ku karce

Apparently this last case has no simpler alternative.

mu'o mi'e betsemes

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