Received: from mail-bk0-f60.google.com ([209.85.214.60]:37807) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Ui1vJ-0006yD-Pf for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 30 May 2013 05:25:56 -0700 Received: by mail-bk0-f60.google.com with SMTP id jc10sf39638bkc.25 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 05:25:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=J6z8sNVZaBTMMr8sOzpXk9cijIWM2TtqUi0tAcV0fIM=; b=MQC2AnSAEMx1EoRhZ27pw/p8OsJvUyJJoeMzfkPlcoRktmBBF/XOtz+o/Bk+mIu/FC TM7OgTHjHdrKrOngcteayjTwi09G/OerdH9D84g3MrVqEp5wU8tabOs+8gnYxQiocGmi Rm8E+CApNzNiMW6BCIf4cQmnui2HErgMtP7O5MeI23DSOrYeovUAq9si60cFocL2lDSB AvNAzOvXfK+7EcaPcvKO/Q/m/rTxohclg2GDtsQncOFRCRujidj9BtvvDVD5ZytIdi1T z1fS5y+462lUUfdvVFYm1PObTX+TI3PcZ/W7ByfHQcThcjOvCPe883NpOHOJmDYlSoZm U7Qg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=J6z8sNVZaBTMMr8sOzpXk9cijIWM2TtqUi0tAcV0fIM=; b=z0tO/xjxPfrciztrV2nXjIOSqxiXREYDEXBHAVyAMxwr5H8y61i1Glux5aloWbha0K h7VT/PFddnFaJmQU8fQMsXWeCWqC0V19BJXfCwNVQm+c7wSAdtw91VtnSB8V+kadEPyE EyczL480f4syNEZzkz2I3HHBW6tG7Yphk8K4XNICIXQ8yw2ndKUSZL6dbL4XDp4BwuuS n/g/02+B6F1kfQF4pOlxH9l456w3MPKopHFxqKuR/H/5LZ18wddB6PbW3PzCjKNP35RM COdjexLbwXD0ET7DWu6356+yo9srQhHSMmXZoV20eYDXjqilEQ8tvjaRZpJrg5sL9g9+ UEvw== X-Received: by 10.180.8.74 with SMTP id p10mr1973148wia.3.1369916734542; Thu, 30 May 2013 05:25:34 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.78.72 with SMTP id z8ls1866689wiw.38.canary; Thu, 30 May 2013 05:25:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.204.71.134 with SMTP id h6mr771299bkj.8.1369916733559; Thu, 30 May 2013 05:25:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f178.google.com (mail-lb0-f178.google.com [209.85.217.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id rl1si1224398bkb.3.2013.05.30.05.25.33 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 30 May 2013 05:25:33 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of betsemes@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.178; Received: by mail-lb0-f178.google.com with SMTP id w10so472425lbi.9 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 05:25:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.72.132 with SMTP id d4mr3664310lbv.79.1369916733369; Thu, 30 May 2013 05:25:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.125.178 with HTTP; Thu, 30 May 2013 05:25:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <51A379EF.3020803@gmx.de> <51A6685C.3010505@lojban.org> Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 08:25:33 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] cmevla as a class of brivla From: Betsemes To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: betsemes@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of betsemes@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=betsemes@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 8:21 AM, Betsemes wrote: > Under the merge; > {lo tatoebas jufra} may be written as {lo jufra pe la tatoebas}. > {lo karce pe la betsemes} could be written {lo betsemes karce} > > But what about {lo karce pe la selpa'i}? > {lo selpa'i karce}? This would mean something totally different, > "beloved car", not Selpa'i's car. > > Of course, all of them may be rewritten as > lo la tatoebas ku jufra > lo la betsemes ku karce > lo la selpa'i ku karce > > Apparently this last case has no simpler alternative. On second thought, tanru have been always vague on interrelating semantics; so {lo selpa'i karce} might mean {lo karce pe la selpa'i} provided enough context. mu'o mi'e betsemes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.