Received: from mail-yh0-f63.google.com ([209.85.213.63]:56475) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Ui26W-00075E-3O for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 30 May 2013 05:37:24 -0700 Received: by mail-yh0-f63.google.com with SMTP id a41sf63300yho.28 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 05:37:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:x-authenticated:x-provags-id:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-y-gmx-trusted:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=3K2KUwR8v/goC6CUoWRSgrldrxsrWpD7kd7KENc+JY4=; b=XcySA2kulA9qy+0w4M00WTpfd+kiu08x7pwd3ds0hBmaJ7qr+/63bCf8EuXWvGrsBB tXsqMM8nPHu9QXE5wAfWt4968ajI5a7LA6ELe9bwG84uHKsxMKg4Esoe6fyJKXnxOE24 Xxy/G69ye/irkf/vTavel6TEUUm99l+Aq71oJ4Hq6nPEWBFllNHMd1Ubsnt6LIzb1D5f I8GWk4BT5Zcj/UBHZb2Czb7NXvPwoWHr9SFHBaaMmjc7kWsV5clETwLxSKCIawHDa5HV TCdtdnUO7Y0kE/q8KNEUmgOU5za+1AfmKV4M1EYseQDoptwZe1IBbXOXgHgo2NqtoyHJ e33g== X-Received: by 10.49.106.231 with SMTP id gx7mr560921qeb.6.1369917429971; Thu, 30 May 2013 05:37:09 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.47.52 with SMTP id a20ls351083qen.51.gmail; Thu, 30 May 2013 05:37:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.53.198 with SMTP id n6mr4151406qag.2.1369917429467; Thu, 30 May 2013 05:37:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net. [212.227.15.19]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id a15si782307qcu.3.2013.05.30.05.37.09 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 05:37:09 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.15.19 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.15.19; Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([10.1.76.2]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx001) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MFOSw-1Uca2a31sq-00ELyd for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 14:37:08 +0200 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 30 May 2013 12:37:08 -0000 Received: from p5DDC4B15.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.2.100]) [93.220.75.21] by mail.gmx.net (mp002) with SMTP; 30 May 2013 14:37:08 +0200 X-Authenticated: #54293076 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19FpextYzdFXSOPnv30h4bFvkxj+ez7PLfos72aMO x/3SRQIxmUgdzL Message-ID: <51A747F3.7060000@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 14:37:07 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] cmevla as a class of brivla References: <51A379EF.3020803@gmx.de> <51A6685C.3010505@lojban.org> In-Reply-To: X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.15.19 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / la .betsemes. cu cusku di'e > Under the merge; > {lo tatoebas jufra} may be written as {lo jufra pe la tatoebas}. > {lo karce pe la betsemes} could be written {lo betsemes karce} > > But what about {lo karce pe la selpa'i}? > {lo selpa'i karce}? This would mean something totally different, > "beloved car", not Selpa'i's car. > > Of course, all of them may be rewritten as > lo la tatoebas ku jufra > lo la betsemes ku karce > lo la selpa'i ku karce I think it's less strange if you consider the conversion formula to be: lo broda brode ~= lo brode pe lo broda Now you can plug in any broda you want, one possible candidate being {.tato'ebas.}, so that {lo jufra pe *lo* .tato'ebas.}. That way there is no difference between a cmevla- and a brivla-seltau. There only seems to be one because cmevla are always names, so you don't need the extra step of adding {me la} (because this is already part of the cmevla's definition). mu'o mi'e la selpa'i -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.