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Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 06:48:56 -0600
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Subject: Re: [lojban] cmevla as a class of brivla
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On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 6:37 AM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:

> la .betsemes. cu cusku di'e
>
>> Under the merge;
>>
>> {lo tatoebas jufra} may be written as {lo jufra pe la tatoebas}.
>> {lo karce pe la betsemes} could be written {lo betsemes karce}
>>
>> But what about {lo karce pe la selpa'i}?
>> {lo selpa'i karce}? This would mean something totally different,
>> "beloved car", not Selpa'i's car.
>>
>> Of course, all of them may be rewritten as
>> lo la tatoebas ku jufra
>> lo la betsemes ku karce
>> lo la selpa'i ku karce
>>
>
> I think it's less strange if you consider the conversion formula to be:
>
> lo broda brode ~= lo brode pe lo broda
>
> Now you can plug in any broda you want, one possible candidate being
> {.tato'ebas.}, so that {lo jufra pe *lo* .tato'ebas.}. That way there is no
> difference between a cmevla- and a brivla-seltau. There only seems to be
> one because cmevla are always names, so you don't need the extra step of
> adding {me la} (because this is already part of the cmevla's definition).


That breaks too many things, i.e., all tanru, because it would force {lo
crino mlatu} to be {lo mlatu pe lo crino}, and any current usage would have
to changed to {lo ke crino mlatu} or {lo crino bo mlatu} to override it.


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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 6:37 AM, selpa&#39;i <sp=
an dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:seladwa@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">sela=
dwa@gmx.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im">la .betsemes. cu cusku di&#39;e<br>
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Under the merge;<div class=3D"im"><br>
{lo tatoebas jufra} may be written as {lo jufra pe la tatoebas}.<br>
{lo karce pe la betsemes} could be written {lo betsemes karce}<br>
<br>
But what about {lo karce pe la selpa&#39;i}?<br>
{lo selpa&#39;i karce}? This would mean something totally different,<br>
&quot;beloved car&quot;, not Selpa&#39;i&#39;s car.<br>
<br>
Of course, all of them may be rewritten as<br>
lo la tatoebas ku jufra<br>
lo la betsemes ku karce<br>
lo la selpa&#39;i ku karce<br>
</div></blockquote>
<br>
I think it&#39;s less strange if you consider the conversion formula to be:=
<br>
<br>
lo broda brode ~=3D lo brode pe lo broda<br>
<br>
Now you can plug in any broda you want, one possible candidate being {.tato=
&#39;ebas.}, so that {lo jufra pe *lo* .tato&#39;ebas.}. That way there is =
no difference between a cmevla- and a brivla-seltau. There only seems to be=
 one because cmevla are always names, so you don&#39;t need the extra step =
of adding {me la} (because this is already part of the cmevla&#39;s definit=
ion).</blockquote>
<div>=A0</div></div>That breaks too many things, i.e., all tanru, because i=
t would force {lo crino mlatu} to be {lo mlatu pe lo crino}, and any curren=
t usage would have to changed to {lo ke crino mlatu} or {lo crino bo mlatu}=
 to override it.<br>
<br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e&#39;uca=
i ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<br>(Come t=
o the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )<br>

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