Received: from mail-fa0-f59.google.com ([209.85.161.59]:35304) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Ui2Jw-0007Ch-EL for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 30 May 2013 05:51:20 -0700 Received: by mail-fa0-f59.google.com with SMTP id a11sf42677fad.4 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 05:51:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:x-authenticated:x-provags-id:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-y-gmx-trusted:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=iSAh8yAUZ96hQuTSmgwRn9fcNfUyEB7O38OeVhfvYDM=; b=hoKuLgToDjiRpjs69U1u4UzTsG9iM4QSIOOMAgJj75Eyis3YOnx1PaF7SCjXORQFD0 lbgUIQPFHy9lwPOxXVGDvY5bU3fX/s71l6h02XCSViB3gcBSx2OEieSCFbpG8DXr0K8Q akEW/PJgW//cJh25gzSukDv6xyhHMHmD5MJZooFcA/OE+yzTEu122nI1lnEQeBHD+f6m Ep8Zk6ZiHiecJj0l+iDU1eFtUeaFx7Lu/L7uPockn54tJid/unuKW+LY2ob2eFfhknl4 bZnYUYILg/Ee8ALnkxvrMPOP4CIH2zVNwIQqazDEZ7cfd/bfMEp+v3I6qCza1DBRDHdw n23g== X-Received: by 10.180.9.237 with SMTP id d13mr755841wib.5.1369918261098; Thu, 30 May 2013 05:51:01 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.39.197 with SMTP id r5ls243164wik.5.gmail; Thu, 30 May 2013 05:51:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.15.44.65 with SMTP id y41mr8972877eev.5.1369918260803; Thu, 30 May 2013 05:51:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net. [212.227.17.22]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id o5si9893467eew.0.2013.05.30.05.51.00 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 05:51:00 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.22 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.17.22; Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([10.1.76.12]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx001) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LiZpS-1UA4Xw2KgW-00ceFw for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 14:51:00 +0200 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 30 May 2013 12:51:00 -0000 Received: from p5DDC4B15.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.2.100]) [93.220.75.21] by mail.gmx.net (mp012) with SMTP; 30 May 2013 14:51:00 +0200 X-Authenticated: #54293076 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/qfd41o4Pq9f6leUHkCoFuy/VvsdobdLnJnIPGfp RLnvrvEzfvDT3l Message-ID: <51A74B32.3010705@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 14:50:58 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] cmevla as a class of brivla References: <51A379EF.3020803@gmx.de> <51A6685C.3010505@lojban.org> <51A747F3.7060000@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.22 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / la .aionys. cu cusku di'e > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 6:37 AM, selpa'i I think it's less strange if you consider the conversion formula to be: > > lo broda brode ~= lo brode pe lo broda > > Now you can plug in any broda you want, one possible candidate being > {.tato'ebas.}, so that {lo jufra pe *lo* .tato'ebas.}. That way > there is no difference between a cmevla- and a brivla-seltau. There > only seems to be one because cmevla are always names, so you don't > need the extra step of adding {me la} (because this is already part > of the cmevla's definition). > > That breaks too many things, i.e., all tanru, because it would force {lo > crino mlatu} to be {lo mlatu pe lo crino}, and any current usage would > have to changed to {lo ke crino mlatu} or {lo crino bo mlatu} to > override it. I didn't say it would be the only way to interpret tanru, just the one relevant to Betseme's point, so it breaks absolutely nothing. mu'o mi'e la selpa'i -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.