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Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 07:01:31 -0600
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Subject: Re: [lojban] cmevla as a class of brivla
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On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 6:50 AM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:

> la .aionys. cu cusku di'e
>
>> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 6:37 AM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de
>>     I think it's less strange if you consider the conversion formula to
>> be:
>>
>>     lo broda brode ~= lo brode pe lo broda
>>
>>     Now you can plug in any broda you want, one possible candidate being
>>     {.tato'ebas.}, so that {lo jufra pe *lo* .tato'ebas.}. That way
>>     there is no difference between a cmevla- and a brivla-seltau. There
>>     only seems to be one because cmevla are always names, so you don't
>>     need the extra step of adding {me la} (because this is already part
>>     of the cmevla's definition).
>>
>> That breaks too many things, i.e., all tanru, because it would force {lo
>> crino mlatu} to be {lo mlatu pe lo crino}, and any current usage would
>> have to changed to {lo ke crino mlatu} or {lo crino bo mlatu} to
>> override it.
>>
>
> I didn't say it would be the only way to interpret tanru, just the one
> relevant to Betseme's point, so it breaks absolutely nothing.


And how would you determine when to use that interpretation and when to use
the current one?

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 6:50 AM, selpa&#39;i <sp=
an dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:seladwa@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">sela=
dwa@gmx.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
la .aionys. cu cusku di&#39;e<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im">
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 6:37 AM, selpa&#39;i &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:seladwa@=
gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">seladwa@gmx.de</a><br></div><div class=3D"im">
=A0 =A0 I think it&#39;s less strange if you consider the conversion formul=
a to be:<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 lo broda brode ~=3D lo brode pe lo broda<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 Now you can plug in any broda you want, one possible candidate bein=
g<br>
=A0 =A0 {.tato&#39;ebas.}, so that {lo jufra pe *lo* .tato&#39;ebas.}. That=
 way<br>
=A0 =A0 there is no difference between a cmevla- and a brivla-seltau. There=
<br>
=A0 =A0 only seems to be one because cmevla are always names, so you don=
9;t<br>
=A0 =A0 need the extra step of adding {me la} (because this is already part=
<br>
=A0 =A0 of the cmevla&#39;s definition).<br>
<br>
That breaks too many things, i.e., all tanru, because it would force {lo<br=
>
crino mlatu} to be {lo mlatu pe lo crino}, and any current usage would<br>
have to changed to {lo ke crino mlatu} or {lo crino bo mlatu} to<br>
override it.<br>
</div></blockquote>
<br>
I didn&#39;t say it would be the only way to interpret tanru, just the one =
relevant to Betseme&#39;s point, so it breaks absolutely nothing.</blockquo=
te></div><br>And how would you determine when to use that interpretation an=
d when to use the current one?<br clear=3D"all">
<br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo piln=
o be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<br>(Come to the Dot Side! Lu=
ke, I am your father. :D )<br>

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