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From: Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org>
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Subject: Re: [lojban] cmevla as a class of brivla
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 09:20:40 -0400
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On Thursday, May 30, 2013 02:45:45 la arxokuna wrote:
> On Thursday, May 30, 2013 11:07:11 AM UTC+4, Pierre Abbat wrote:
> > A NOI clause is a relative clause.
> 
> Yes, and relative clauses are adjectives.

No they're not. No single word is a relative clause. The class of adjectives 
is a part of speech; the class of relative clauses is not. A part of speech is 
a class of words, not phrases. (WP says "or more precisely lexical items"; 
this includes phrases like "action-packed" which are not the sum of their 
parts.)

> > I'm not sure what you mean by "fi'o-
> > clauses"; I think you mean a prepositional phrase. Neither is an adjective
> > or
> > adverb;
> 
> they are adverbs.

*What* are adverbs? "fi'o <brivla> be <sumti> fe'u" is grammatical, but I'm not 
sure that makes it a clause, as it has to have "be" if there is a sumti 
attached. "<preposition> <sumti>" is definitely not a clause, as it doesn't 
have to contain a brivla, let alone a whole bridi. Neither is a part of 
speech, as neither class contains any single words.

> > those parts of speech, which are classes of single words, don't exist
> > in Lojban.
> 
> All SAE languages have adverbs. Lojban is no exception.

Lojban is not SAE. German is SAE, but some argue that it doesn't have adverbs, 
since it doesn't use anything like "-ly" to make them from adjectives; thus 
the equivalent of an adverb is just an adjective used in a certain way.

> > There is no syntactic difference between "le mlatu cu blabi" and "le
> > blabi cu mlatu", indicating that "mlatu" and "blabi" belong to the same
> > part
> > of speech.
> 
> {le mlatu} is a noun.
> {mlatu} is a verb.

"le mlatu" is an article phrase (the equivalent of a noun phrase, but not a 
noun). "bidgug" is a noun. Maybe "bercribe" is both a noun and a verb, as "la 
bercribe" means something completely different from "lo bercribe".

Pierre
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