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la arxokuna wrote:
>         Yes, and relative clauses are adjectives.
>
>
>     No.
>
>
> A cat which is black = black cat

Semantically, they are often similar, but not necessarily identical, as 
is more evident if you try to reverse the identity.  A black cat may 
also be a cat which has a black collar contrasted with one that has a 
white collar, for example, or any of a number of other plausible 
relations associating the aformentioned cat with some sort of blackness.

I have a cat that most would call a "black cat", but in fact is xekri 
joi blabi

>         All SAE languages have adverbs. Lojban is no exception.
>
>
>     Lojban is not an SAE language.
>
>
> Lojban must optionally work as a SAE language. Otherwise it's alien and
> not usable by SAE-speakers.

Lojban is alien in several senses.

I have to presume that you are using SAE as it is commonly understood.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Average_European
It would be interesting to see how many of the listed features actually 
apply to Lojban.

We certainly have an explicit distinction between alienable and 
inalienable possession, not that it comes up much in actual usage.

SAE speakers are quite capable of learning non-SAE languages.

>     *sumti
>
>         {mlatu} is a verb.
>
>
>     *selbri
>
>
>
> The more you replace understandable terms to fenki terms the fewer
> people are willing to learn Lojban.

But the more likely it will be that they will actually learn Lojban, 
rather than a quasi-SAE perversion of Lojban.

> Of course it's your choice but please don't try ban other terminologies
> for the same language.

If the terminology is misleading or even incorrect because Lojban does 
not behave the same as other languages for which that terminology is 
used, then we are wise to "ban" or at least avoid that terminology.

lojbab


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