Received: from mail-wg0-f59.google.com ([74.125.82.59]:33145) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UiOMm-00007B-6m for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 31 May 2013 05:23:51 -0700 Received: by mail-wg0-f59.google.com with SMTP id b13sf289255wgh.14 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 05:23:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=eXgzl0JoaF4RalGRkb7qN5u0z2f+OheML/TVVmj8AN4=; b=mB4Tr6LLhaDH5OaOy1f/5pRISPL+x7uAFwf5nmnmrdTA92h71SjlgZRGqenM2OsRRY 96FeYZp4VyB1MlRQI9JhwFYYyHnhiwq+oT0O4n3sbYstvbGF3nsIAQxSXlySwfoUJ5q1 fN8sp8LnNvwKmyACjfDy24UhFz+6TY0djfNLQXm/llmKAO2B+I7qHHKhbeG0+gTaCxp8 OzZ77dS1jgeZ4hCdvErAtJuGsuP+SuXkBEUVV6/EiMaiLYZ4UkOUCHetiyjb5TUHvrVP MANMyajnxGiwGm5wNDw2Y/NKj33ryLsKbnjYgJG2h5A1BELEtor3j/N7LHaBnmEnp3fw cVew== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=eXgzl0JoaF4RalGRkb7qN5u0z2f+OheML/TVVmj8AN4=; b=kkyCNIOQ6EQj4D0UwK3wuAapz91g8vSgVFM8vHY6KFS/MnXxuGllJCFPm1AiDjrwcw Eu0bjFgWlw7pfFBud0zlOhsJ6gJR9txr4THrE047hV/1/Aaw5BSpGMR/FWle4HBUSEjq /ziARhFZ6DQnl6DmRZ1a31tLJqkuFWyDCQ+DwclEIvFKAg7/uOOkqW6PdB7OmAGtXP/F ZQR05gHAIMOlvJYasurZbrkU8iFIwIWN8KToyc3CqVxwa30j0Psf9kZG1kIYy3EpflfP 2BbAmk9osE1ejBsFpATQu3sneYR1RSz72hlWwphPfz1c4fDM3AmOOkFbWboxAIoYrfia fWhw== X-Received: by 10.180.77.4 with SMTP id o4mr237490wiw.21.1370003001159; Fri, 31 May 2013 05:23:21 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.109.65 with SMTP id hq1ls211885wib.42.gmail; Fri, 31 May 2013 05:23:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.204.71.134 with SMTP id h6mr1215933bkj.8.1370002996229; Fri, 31 May 2013 05:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f178.google.com (mail-lb0-f178.google.com [209.85.217.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ev8si2104764bkc.1.2013.05.31.05.23.16 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 31 May 2013 05:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.178; Received: by mail-lb0-f178.google.com with SMTP id w10so1619789lbi.37 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 05:23:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.28.130 with SMTP id b2mr5734756lah.32.1370002996039; Fri, 31 May 2013 05:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.1.166 with HTTP; Fri, 31 May 2013 05:23:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <51A86EC7.5010800@lojban.org> References: <51A6685C.3010505@lojban.org> <2718750.fulPsy5vnL@caracal> <51A86EC7.5010800@lojban.org> Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 06:23:15 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] cmevla as a class of brivla From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0160b6bceb952904de02ada2 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --089e0160b6bceb952904de02ada2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 3:35 AM, Robert LeChevalier wrot= e: > > Personally, the thing that probably keeps most people from learning Lojba= n > is the same thing that keeps them from learning nay other language, natur= al > or artificial. That is vocabulary. Adults need a couple thousand words = of > vocabulary in order to comfortably talk about the things that they want t= o > talk about, or maybe a lot more, and learning a couple of thousand words = is > HARD for most people. No simplification of grammar is going to eliminate > that problem. > > lojbab That is precisely my difficulties with Lojban. The grammar is easy as =F0, but I'm still learning the actual vocab. I'll admit to being somewhat lazy on the learning of it, but I'd say at this point I know ~1/4 of the gismu and cmavo, a smattering of non-jvajvo lujvo, maybe a couple fu'ivla, and a very few of the experimental words like zo'oi. --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 3:35 AM, Robert LeCheval= ier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
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Personally, the thing that probably keeps most people from learning Lojban = is the same thing that keeps them from learning nay other language, natural= or artificial. =A0That is vocabulary. =A0Adults need a couple thousand wor= ds of vocabulary in order to comfortably talk about the things that they wa= nt to talk about, or maybe a lot more, and learning a couple of thousand wo= rds is HARD for most people. =A0No simplification of grammar is going to el= iminate that problem.

lojbab

That is precisely my difficulties with Lojban.= The grammar is easy as =F0, but I'm still learning the actual vocab. I= 'll admit to being somewhat lazy on the learning of it, but I'd say= at this point I know ~1/4 of the gismu and cmavo, a smattering of non-jvaj= vo lujvo, maybe a couple fu'ivla, and a very few of the experimental wo= rds like zo'oi.

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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo piln= o be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Lu= ke, I am your father. :D )

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