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On Friday, May 31, 2013 11:08:13 PM UTC+4, lojbab wrote:
>
> Jonathan Jones wrote:=20
> > On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 3:35 AM, Robert LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org<=
javascript:>=20
> > <mailto:loj...@lojban.org <javascript:>>> wrote:=20
> >=20
> >     <snip>=20
> >     Personally, the thing that probably keeps most people from learning=
=20
> >     Lojban is the same thing that keeps them from learning nay other=20
> >     language, natural or artificial.  That is vocabulary.  Adults need =
a=20
> >     couple thousand words of vocabulary in order to comfortably talk=20
> >     about the things that they want to talk about, or maybe a lot more,=
=20
> >     and learning a couple of thousand words is HARD for most people.  N=
o=20
> >     simplification of grammar is going to eliminate that problem.=20
> >=20
> >     lojbab=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > That is precisely my difficulties with Lojban. The grammar is easy as =
=CF=80,=20
> > but I'm still learning the actual vocab. I'll admit to being somewhat=
=20
> > lazy on the learning of it, but I'd say at this point I know ~1/4 of th=
e=20
> > gismu and cmavo, a smattering of non-jvajvo lujvo, maybe a couple=20
> > fu'ivla, and a very few of the experimental words like zo'oi.=20
>
> That was the point of the original LogFlash.=20


I have to admit I never tried it.

Does it have SuperMemo/Anki algorithm?
=20

>  One of the few things that=20
> JCB did that was actually scientific was to test flashcard algorithms,=20
> and the original LogFlash encoded what he found to be the optimal one.=20
> We eventually added some flexibility, but people turned away from the=20
> tested algorithm in favor of all sorts of flashcard approaches.=20
>
> But the original one really worked.  25 years on with little regular=20
> usage for the last dozen years, and I still recall most of the gismu,=20
> having drilled them up to >95% in less than 2 months.  (I never=20
> completed the cmavo and rafsi to such a high degree, but the ones that I=
=20
> did learn I didn't forget very quickly.)=20
>
> Of course it is now a problem of converting the Turbo Pascal Dos program=
=20
> into something more portable.  (Eric Raymond tried to convert the=20
> program to portable C, but it never worked well.)=20
>
> lojbab=20
>
>

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<br><br>On Friday, May 31, 2013 11:08:13 PM UTC+4, lojbab wrote:<blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1=
px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">Jonathan Jones wrote:
<br>&gt; On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 3:35 AM, Robert LeChevalier &lt;<a href=3D=
"javascript:" target=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto=3D"i9eU1Xx7UXQJ">loj.=
..@lojban.org</a>
<br>&gt; &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"javascript:" target=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscate=
d-mailto=3D"i9eU1Xx7UXQJ">loj...@lojban.org</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;snip&gt;
<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; Personally, the thing that probably keeps most peopl=
e from learning
<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; Lojban is the same thing that keeps them from learni=
ng nay other
<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; language, natural or artificial. &nbsp;That is vocab=
ulary. &nbsp;Adults need a
<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; couple thousand words of vocabulary in order to comf=
ortably talk
<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; about the things that they want to talk about, or ma=
ybe a lot more,
<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; and learning a couple of thousand words is HARD for =
most people. &nbsp;No
<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; simplification of grammar is going to eliminate that=
 problem.
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; lojbab
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; That is precisely my difficulties with Lojban. The grammar is easy=
 as =CF=80,
<br>&gt; but I'm still learning the actual vocab. I'll admit to being somew=
hat
<br>&gt; lazy on the learning of it, but I'd say at this point I know ~1/4 =
of the
<br>&gt; gismu and cmavo, a smattering of non-jvajvo lujvo, maybe a couple
<br>&gt; fu'ivla, and a very few of the experimental words like zo'oi.
<br>
<br>That was the point of the original LogFlash. </blockquote><div><br></di=
v><div><br></div><div>I have to admit I never tried it.</div><div><br></div=
><div>Does it have SuperMemo/Anki algorithm?</div><div>&nbsp;</div><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left=
: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">&nbsp;One of the few things that=20
<br>JCB did that was actually scientific was to test flashcard algorithms,=
=20
<br>and the original LogFlash encoded what he found to be the optimal one.=
=20
<br>We eventually added some flexibility, but people turned away from the=
=20
<br>tested algorithm in favor of all sorts of flashcard approaches.
<br>
<br>But the original one really worked. &nbsp;25 years on with little regul=
ar=20
<br>usage for the last dozen years, and I still recall most of the gismu,=
=20
<br>having drilled them up to &gt;95% in less than 2 months. &nbsp;(I never=
=20
<br>completed the cmavo and rafsi to such a high degree, but the ones that =
I=20
<br>did learn I didn't forget very quickly.)
<br>
<br>Of course it is now a problem of converting the Turbo Pascal Dos progra=
m=20
<br>into something more portable. &nbsp;(Eric Raymond tried to convert the=
=20
<br>program to portable C, but it never worked well.)
<br>
<br>lojbab
<br>
<br></blockquote>

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