Received: from mail-lb0-f188.google.com ([209.85.217.188]:63116) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UiUv0-0003lN-UP for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 31 May 2013 12:23:23 -0700 Received: by mail-lb0-f188.google.com with SMTP id u10sf492271lbi.25 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 12:23:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:x-authenticated:x-provags-id:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-y-gmx-trusted:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ER1ZHKbaXGm25Fk8GLfExcaahj8oweYlFhE6xhPRcEA=; b=O9190/9LMLhycUS23JMKXX1fEFINWXCvu7uQBvYC/WeCl2ZDKR+A7FU2pS7nzmJZjX 9T7TdP89qqWFJp5DxGpDUUg6wBBKgdqfQ0PYABN9gpVP0g0EzfY8H9TZnhB6GQP5FYVf zos5GNl8D/Wt8/3UK4TGfLU1La6Xzt+zzRwtFXn8dDBLJ4Vg41WT/llQPDReV+uoLWWv s2HjxvIxPbGv+VGehbarp3TjrPsoq6qU6jgywmexipPpCKBDpJAE0JZXfDu+lCYKNACt KnDHjbQ5kwe7suBglFK1flRhgYcbKiiAki18V3PkHYwsJiAJIg3T5pv+dgnggBZ1FHQ6 08ig== X-Received: by 10.180.12.70 with SMTP id w6mr460100wib.0.1370028191163; Fri, 31 May 2013 12:23:11 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.183.237 with SMTP id ep13ls363063wic.2.gmail; Fri, 31 May 2013 12:23:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.15.42.72 with SMTP id t48mr16488152eev.7.1370028190737; Fri, 31 May 2013 12:23:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net. [212.227.17.22]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id o5si11295038eew.0.2013.05.31.12.23.10 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 12:23:10 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.22 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.17.22; Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([10.1.76.17]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx001) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MZzaz-1UzkgL259T-00Lncp for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 21:23:10 +0200 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 31 May 2013 19:23:10 -0000 Received: from p5DDC429E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.2.100]) [93.220.66.158] by mail.gmx.net (mp017) with SMTP; 31 May 2013 21:23:10 +0200 X-Authenticated: #54293076 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX181124Olfc13xLAQeczcE2+jRuT7BIWqS+yvI2tSs RQoNszY1vplMZt Message-ID: <51A8F89D.2040408@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 21:23:09 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] cmevla as a class of brivla References: <51A379EF.3020803@gmx.de> <51A6685C.3010505@lojban.org> <51A8680E.7040103@lojban.org> <51A8F326.2020901@lojban.org> In-Reply-To: <51A8F326.2020901@lojban.org> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.22 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / la .lojbab. cu cusku di'e > What semantic distinctions arise from identifying > something as a name as opposed to a normal description, I am not sure > (but it would surely encompass the relevant place structures). But {la} doesn't describe. It names. I don't describe Jacob Errington as a sky when I call him by la tsani, and neither does he describe himself as a sky by giving himself that name. It's merely a label used to refer to this individual, nothing more. mu'o mi'e la selpa'i -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.