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Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 15:35:22 -0400
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Subject: Re: [lojban] cmevla as a class of brivla
From: Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com>
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On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 3:04 PM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:

> That is why this ambiguity in gadri-less vocatives with brivla is not very
> popular (probably quite a minority view, in fact). To me, {COI/DOI broda}
> is always equivalent to {COI/DOI le broda}, and you have to use {la}
> explicitly to get {coi la broda}. There is just too big a difference
> between {la} and {lo/le} to have COI be ambiguous about it.
>
> mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

While I have said recently that COI broda == COI le broda or COI la broda
depending on context, I would be completely fine with it being explicitly
defined as the former. However I will say that requiring this will not
prevent jokes--for example {coi le xalbo} when speaking to {la xalbo} is
often a reasonable description, which would make {coi xalbo} also a
reasonable greeting phrase.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On F=
ri, May 31, 2013 at 3:04 PM, selpa&#39;i <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:seladwa@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">seladwa@gmx.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote=
:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-le=
ft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
That is why this ambiguity in gadri-less vocatives with brivla is not very =
popular (probably quite a minority view, in fact). To me, {COI/DOI broda} i=
s always equivalent to {COI/DOI le broda}, and you have to use {la} explici=
tly to get {coi la broda}. There is just too big a difference between {la} =
and {lo/le} to have COI be ambiguous about it.<br>

<br>
mu&#39;o mi&#39;e la selpa&#39;i</blockquote><div>While I have said recentl=
y that COI broda =3D=3D COI le broda or COI la broda depending on context, =
I would be completely fine with it being explicitly defined as the former. =
However I will say that requiring this will not prevent jokes--for example =
{coi le xalbo} when speaking to {la xalbo} is often a reasonable descriptio=
n, which would make {coi xalbo} also a reasonable greeting phrase.<br>
<br>mi&#39;e la latro&#39;a mu&#39;o<br></div></div><br></div></div>

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