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On Sunday, June 2, 2013 2:34:12 PM UTC+4, tijlan wrote:
>
> ki'e la gleki
>
> I would be interested to see how different brivla are interrelated in 
> terms of their thematic relations. For example:
>
> porpi
> spisa
> daspo
>
> {porpi} and {spisa} have the same arguments (the whole and the part) in 
> reverse. They are also a dynamic/static counterpart to each other: 
> something dynamically *becomes* pieces, and something statically *is* a 
> piece. With {daspo}, an agent comes into the picture, causing something to 
> become other than its original self (to lose its original state), but 
> without specifying that resultant entity (whether spisa1, spofu1, or 
> something else).
>
> Many brivla don't have a static/dynamic counterpart. {morsi} is static 
> (something is dead) rather than dynamic (something dies).
>
> I like the notation used in the monograph below:
> http://rickm.net16.net/lexical_semantics.html
>

mutce se cinri cukta i ckire do tu'a le judrysni
 

>
> It may be useful in the semantic analysis of brivla:
>
> porpi   P/F-d
> spisa   F/P-s
> daspo   A/P-d
>
> morsi   P-s
> mrobi'o   P-d
> catra   A/P/F-d
>
> viska   P/F-s
> catlu   AP/F-s
>
> Both viska1 and catlu1 are a patient to the x2, but catlu1 is also an 
> agent to itself, keeping itself in the state of seeing something (it's an 
> agent-patient). (And, insofar as a "condition" place is optional for 
> {catlu}, viska3 may be considered equally extraneous and be left out of the 
> notation.)
>
> According to your list, {viska} and {tirna} belong to the same "Psycho: 
> Sensation/observation" class, as they should, but {tirna} doesn't have an 
> AP/F-s counterpart like {viska} does. This kind of analysis can cue us to 
> find lexical partiality and redundancy.
>

I hope by the term "us" you mean not only lojbanists cuz analysing 
semantics of even gimste is a work that can't be solved by our rather small 
group of nolcertu.
 

>
>
> mu'o
>

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<br><br>On Sunday, June 2, 2013 2:34:12 PM UTC+4, tijlan wrote:<blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>=
<div>ki'e la gleki<br><br></div>I would be interested to see how different =
brivla are interrelated in terms of their thematic relations. For example:<=
br><br>porpi<br>spisa<br></div>
</div>daspo<br></div><br></div>{porpi} and {spisa} have the same arguments =
(the whole and the part) in reverse. They are also a dynamic/static counter=
part to each other: something dynamically *becomes* pieces, and something s=
tatically *is* a piece. With {daspo}, an agent comes into the picture, caus=
ing something to become other than its original self (to lose its original =
state), but without specifying that resultant entity (whether spisa1, spofu=
1, or something else).<br>
<br>Many brivla don't have a static/dynamic counterpart. {morsi} is static =
(something is dead) rather than dynamic (something dies).<br><br>I like the=
 notation used in the monograph below:<br><a href=3D"http://rickm.net16.net=
/lexical_semantics.html" target=3D"_blank">http://rickm.net16.net/<wbr>lexi=
cal_semantics.html</a></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>mutce se=
 cinri cukta i ckire do tu'a le judrysni</div><div>&nbsp;</div><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br>
</div><div>It may be useful in the semantic analysis of brivla:<br></div><d=
iv><br></div><div>porpi&nbsp;&nbsp; P/F-d<br></div><div>spisa&nbsp;&nbsp; F=
/P-s<br></div><div>daspo&nbsp;&nbsp; A/P-d<br></div><div><br></div><div>mor=
si&nbsp;&nbsp; P-s<br></div><div>mrobi'o&nbsp;&nbsp; P-d<br>
</div><div>catra&nbsp;&nbsp; A/P/F-d<br></div><div><br>viska&nbsp;&nbsp; P/=
F-s<br></div><div>catlu&nbsp;&nbsp; AP/F-s<br><br></div><div>Both viska1 an=
d catlu1 are a patient to the x2, but catlu1 is also an agent to itself, ke=
eping itself in the state of seeing something (it's an agent-patient). (And=
, insofar as a "condition" place is optional for {catlu}, viska3 may be con=
sidered equally extraneous and be left out of the notation.)<br>
<br></div><div>According to your list, {viska} and {tirna} belong to the sa=
me "Psycho: Sensation/observation" class, as they should, but {tirna} doesn=
't have an AP/F-s counterpart like {viska} does. This kind of analysis can =
cue us to find lexical partiality and redundancy.<br></div></div></blockquo=
te><div><br></div><div>I hope by the term "us" you mean not only lojbanists=
 cuz analysing semantics of even gimste is a work that can't be solved by o=
ur rather small group of nolcertu.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #cc=
c solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>
</div><div><br><br></div><div></div>mu'o<br></div>
</blockquote>

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