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.i mi na te pinka .i sa'u mi se plixau gi'e se cinri gi'e ckire

mi'e la latro'a mu'o


On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 6:34 AM, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com> wrote:

> ki'e la gleki
>
> I would be interested to see how different brivla are interrelated in
> terms of their thematic relations. For example:
>
> porpi
> spisa
> daspo
>
> {porpi} and {spisa} have the same arguments (the whole and the part) in
> reverse. They are also a dynamic/static counterpart to each other:
> something dynamically *becomes* pieces, and something statically *is* a
> piece. With {daspo}, an agent comes into the picture, causing something to
> become other than its original self (to lose its original state), but
> without specifying that resultant entity (whether spisa1, spofu1, or
> something else).
>
> Many brivla don't have a static/dynamic counterpart. {morsi} is static
> (something is dead) rather than dynamic (something dies).
>
> I like the notation used in the monograph below:
> http://rickm.net16.net/lexical_semantics.html
> It may be useful in the semantic analysis of brivla:
>
> porpi   P/F-d
> spisa   F/P-s
> daspo   A/P-d
>
> morsi   P-s
> mrobi'o   P-d
> catra   A/P/F-d
>
> viska   P/F-s
> catlu   AP/F-s
>
> Both viska1 and catlu1 are a patient to the x2, but catlu1 is also an
> agent to itself, keeping itself in the state of seeing something (it's an
> agent-patient). (And, insofar as a "condition" place is optional for
> {catlu}, viska3 may be considered equally extraneous and be left out of the
> notation.)
>
> According to your list, {viska} and {tirna} belong to the same "Psycho:
> Sensation/observation" class, as they should, but {tirna} doesn't have an
> AP/F-s counterpart like {viska} does. This kind of analysis can cue us to
> find lexical partiality and redundancy.
>
>
> mu'o
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">.i mi na te pinka .i sa&#39;u mi se plixau gi&#39;e se cin=
ri gi&#39;e ckire<div><br></div><div style>mi&#39;e la latro&#39;a mu&#39;o=
</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">O=
n Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 6:34 AM, tijlan <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:jbotijlan@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jbotijlan@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span=
> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><d=
iv>ki&#39;e la gleki<br><br></div>I would be interested to see how differen=
t brivla are interrelated in terms of their thematic relations. For example=
:<br>
<br>porpi<br>spisa<br></div>
</div>daspo<br></div><br></div>{porpi} and {spisa} have the same arguments =
(the whole and the part) in reverse. They are also a dynamic/static counter=
part to each other: something dynamically *becomes* pieces, and something s=
tatically *is* a piece. With {daspo}, an agent comes into the picture, caus=
ing something to become other than its original self (to lose its original =
state), but without specifying that resultant entity (whether spisa1, spofu=
1, or something else).<br>

<br>Many brivla don&#39;t have a static/dynamic counterpart. {morsi} is sta=
tic (something is dead) rather than dynamic (something dies).<br><br>I like=
 the notation used in the monograph below:<br><a href=3D"http://rickm.net16=
.net/lexical_semantics.html" target=3D"_blank">http://rickm.net16.net/lexic=
al_semantics.html</a><br>

</div><div>It may be useful in the semantic analysis of brivla:<br></div><d=
iv><br></div><div>porpi=A0=A0 P/F-d<br></div><div>spisa=A0=A0 F/P-s<br></di=
v><div>daspo=A0=A0 A/P-d<br></div><div><br></div><div>morsi=A0=A0 P-s<br></=
div><div>mrobi&#39;o=A0=A0 P-d<br>

</div><div>catra=A0=A0 A/P/F-d<br></div><div><br>viska=A0=A0 P/F-s<br></div=
><div>catlu=A0=A0 AP/F-s<br><br></div><div>Both viska1 and catlu1 are a pat=
ient to the x2, but catlu1 is also an agent to itself, keeping itself in th=
e state of seeing something (it&#39;s an agent-patient). (And, insofar as a=
 &quot;condition&quot; place is optional for {catlu}, viska3 may be conside=
red equally extraneous and be left out of the notation.)<br>

<br></div><div>According to your list, {viska} and {tirna} belong to the sa=
me &quot;Psycho: Sensation/observation&quot; class, as they should, but {ti=
rna} doesn&#39;t have an AP/F-s counterpart like {viska} does. This kind of=
 analysis can cue us to find lexical partiality and redundancy.<br>

</div><div><br><br></div><div></div>mu&#39;o<br></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"=
><div class=3D"h5">

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