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Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2013 23:23:03 -0400
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Subject: Re: [lojban] cmevla as a class of brivla
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 Content preview:  selpa'i wrote: > la .lojbab. cu cusku di'e >> What semantic
    distinctions arise from identifying >> something as a name as opposed to
   a normal description, I am not sure >> (but it would surely encompass the
   relevant place structures). > > But {la} doesn't describe. It names. I don't
    describe Jacob Errington as > a sky when I call him by la tsani, and neither
    does he describe himself > as a sky by giving himself that name. It's merely
    a label used to refer > to this individual, nothing more. [...] 
 
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selpa'i wrote:
> la .lojbab. cu cusku di'e
>> What semantic distinctions arise from identifying
>> something as a name as opposed to a normal description, I am not sure
>> (but it would surely encompass the relevant place structures).
>
> But {la} doesn't describe. It names. I don't describe Jacob Errington as
> a sky when I call him by la tsani, and neither does he describe himself
> as a sky by giving himself that name. It's merely a label used to refer
> to this individual, nothing more.

But "tsani" itself is grammatically a brivla, and implicit 
(grammatically) in "la tsani" is "la tsani be ...".  The places are 
inseparable from the brivla.  That is fundamental to the language.

lojbab
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Bob LeChevalier    lojbab@lojban.org    www.lojban.org
President and Founder, The Logical Language Group, Inc.

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