Received: from mail-ea0-f186.google.com ([209.85.215.186]:64801) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Ukbrs-00062A-TV for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 08:12:58 -0700 Received: by mail-ea0-f186.google.com with SMTP id g15sf586661eak.13 for ; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 08:12:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:x-authenticated:x-provags-id:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-y-gmx-trusted:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=iYUbGO9+r9FfLFPTLFc+1tygiPKERM1PWATbxwePhaM=; b=uhIzHRVRV8bs4sX1kZ5o12m03EkKNUdhrsg5vlmcMyMV2pjobylYuTNlvA1lHpNj7d EeHurvrkgHnMt3+BwJ8iFsCo56E5gQW5JD6kFF6kNOKOKYu3JGvSPkzEI54ChOfOMrey /XoGOEgGYMHexN1o57fv3JeCi2my4vjySGTIU5eLFR+jeAj71Ku9On+ZoldA0A1+89YH vGDswRSeP9XlOogV72Ohbx1P1a9sl4Iq7cw3CLjSmvBgDqH0aaa3no82MH/C8gRGj0MK ReRVzZzQE+R7DKG3ktNa4r6p0WWdSQADtmXqU6IgIR6LXT6ojzCmkviEdse3YpAIwMj0 FBBw== X-Received: by 10.180.97.134 with SMTP id ea6mr1283419wib.13.1370531561207; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 08:12:41 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.100.201 with SMTP id fa9ls2060702wib.12.canary; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 08:12:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.14.213.130 with SMTP id a2mr3923415eep.0.1370531559206; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 08:12:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net. [212.227.17.20]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id bj52si1626363eeb.1.2013.06.06.08.12.39 for ; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 08:12:39 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.20 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.17.20; Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([10.1.76.30]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx001) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MGUOc-1UXORq3Nzc-00DEaq for ; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 17:12:38 +0200 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 06 Jun 2013 15:12:38 -0000 Received: from p5DDC45D8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.2.100]) [93.220.69.216] by mail.gmx.net (mp030) with SMTP; 06 Jun 2013 17:12:38 +0200 X-Authenticated: #54293076 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/JCV1vfRDJoet0H0bDVGhzWCO/aAkfZMIMIkBeLl AJWxLN8UeLv+fK Message-ID: <51B0A6E5.2040703@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 17:12:37 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] cmevla as a class of brivla References: <51A379EF.3020803@gmx.de> <51A6685C.3010505@lojban.org> <51A8680E.7040103@lojban.org> <51A8F326.2020901@lojban.org> <51A8F89D.2040408@gmx.de> <51B00097.8080004@lojban.org> <51B06D24.6020102@gmx.de> <1370523739.81533.YahooMailNeo@web184406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1370523739.81533.YahooMailNeo@web184406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.20 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / la .pycyn. cu cusku di'e > Given my earlier remarks, I think my position has to be that {la > .tsani.} has as much to do with the sky as "Smith" has to do with a > forge, always allowing that a particular user may want to insist on more > (as in the {la cribe} case often cited). That is, {la .selpa'i.} is > purely denotative and whatever semantics (or grammar, for that matter) > {selpa'i} may have are simply not relevant. Note, this does not make > {selpa'i} a name when it stands alone, only when it is properly marked > off, so as to be clearly distinct from the predicate {selpa'i}. Exactly that. The only thing I'd like to clarify is that you don't need to place dots or glottal stops/pauses around selbri names. The morphology works without that; {laselpA'i} can only fall apart as {la selpa'i}, and the same goes for any other selbri. (cf. tosmabru) mu'o mi'e la selpa'i -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.