Received: from mail-qe0-f58.google.com ([209.85.128.58]:45463) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UkcAU-0006F3-Oo for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 08:32:07 -0700 Received: by mail-qe0-f58.google.com with SMTP id q19sf864510qeb.3 for ; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 08:31:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=LFFpYxg8CqEU7G4kkR5hHlw7LBNny4QEzfp5rsM7fs8=; b=nivD7JVIcOAAP1rj9uNOpaQdCFZUERkvhUjX+ZpxcoCtIhXqWjBF6FrsgAFevgSIq7 oCJYQrAGQgqLwvF8NNNtF7411hqsF5qfQnFG3WpHbK06mZfbai1BhRt9Fb9gDNeiqJ+E 3RSKmxEQMHl26349WMtcVvMzV8PSGLd3oHwTI9kWiy0wyJT2aYj4AEl8DnNFQEFVm+NN 5vx4O5PYodvTWEPGwQpEofSl7HJiA/mSmzYHtrfrHM64qzMsH6QNcNnxjzVOt566uHWy wyk0BMOan3rhcoys9eWsJL8U94pBFc87TYr3yohf7KYXY9nN3qAr76TT5yRJHtuBryhl xDNA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=LFFpYxg8CqEU7G4kkR5hHlw7LBNny4QEzfp5rsM7fs8=; b=IoF+BYiR08OMXfmlYRqIXcd8F41LjHrsjPPKahShl+61eXuQNx59t7AY4mFex4Zlk/ aDtuLlTP+DGSlXSRARrqdD2d/3CcETOV5FpMFq4wjHVfWfYDwB5UMq+2RWQCZVR7mz2i m3jdftQJTf9a8u0EBGySFoGbR0tZIDdeSx4lvdzy+RfrCmlN+A14NGKrHvx6WIDcg8zv yRkAJROkPZOvmapQ91iUqHzyzqOVmtmOeGV2V6thfQUD1kNVHLvvXrNLw3owJnKHbYzM E7sXQGJupT5WZp7wfYjpA2LZAT7UKy7KNDKd9hzFa2sBxS3EJsMzt0fMJDWN/w8QOkiL a0TQ== X-Received: by 10.50.39.84 with SMTP id n20mr1779715igk.13.1370532716022; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 08:31:56 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.117.65 with SMTP id kc1ls2041149igb.3.gmail; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 08:31:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.4.38 with SMTP id h6mr263965igh.8.1370532715524; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 08:31:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 08:31:54 -0700 (PDT) From: la arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <51A379EF.3020803@gmx.de> <51A6685C.3010505@lojban.org> <51A8680E.7040103@lojban.org> <51A8F326.2020901@lojban.org> <51A8F89D.2040408@gmx.de> <51B00097.8080004@lojban.org> <51B06D24.6020102@gmx.de> <1370523739.81533.YahooMailNeo@web184406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] cmevla as a class of brivla MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_282_6146748.1370532714254" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_282_6146748.1370532714254 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thursday, June 6, 2013 7:27:30 PM UTC+4, tsani wrote: > > On 6 June 2013 09:02, John E Clifford >wrote: > >> Given my earlier remarks, I think my position has to be that {la .tsani.} >> has as much to do with the sky as "Smith" has to do with a forge, always >> allowing that a particular user may want to insist on more (as in the {la >> cribe} case often cited). That is, {la .selpa'i.} is purely denotative and >> whatever semantics (or grammar, for that matter) {selpa'i} may have are >> simply not relevant. Note, this does not make {selpa'i} a name when it >> stands alone, only when it is properly marked off, so as to be clearly >> distinct from the predicate {selpa'i}. >> >> > This is also my stance on selbri names. > so'e lo jbopre cu tugni simxu vau xu i cizra tcini u'i > > .i mi'e la tsani mu'o > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. ------=_Part_282_6146748.1370532714254 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Thursday, June 6, 2013 7:27:30 PM UTC+4, tsani wrote:
On 6 June 2013 09:02, Jo= hn E Clifford <kali9...@yahoo.com>= wrote:
Given my earlier remarks= , I think my position has to be that {la .tsani.} has as much to do with th= e sky as "Smith" has to do with a forge, always allowing that a particular = user may want to insist on more (as in the {la cribe} case often cited).&nb= sp; That is, {la .selpa'i.} is purely denotative and whatever semantics (or= grammar, for that matter) {selpa'i} may have are simply not relevant. = ; Note, this does not make {selpa'i} a name when it stands alone, only when= it is properly marked off, so as to be clearly distinct from the predicate= {selpa'i}. 


Th= is is also my stance on selbri names.
<= div>
so'e lo jbopre cu tugni simxu vau xu i cizra tcini u'i

 

= .i mi'e la tsani mu'o 

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