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Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 09:01:56 -0300
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On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 8:38 AM, Betsemes <betsemes@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> xorlo definition of {la}:
> la (LA)
> Name article. It converts a selbri, selecting its first argument, or
> any string of cmevla into a sumti. The resulting expression refers
> specifically to an individual or individuals that the speaker has in
> mind and which the speaker names with the selbri or cmevla. An inner
> quantifier can be used (in the case of a selbri) as part of the name.
> An outer quantifier can be used to quantify distributively over those
> individuals.
>
> That's not terribly clear. On one hand it says that {la} selects the
> first argument, which to me means the first argument is the name and
> not the selbri itself. On the other hand it says that the selbri
> itself is the name ("...the speaker names with the selbri...").


The name is the selbri, but there is a sense in which the first argument is
selected, as with other gadri. In Spanish we have the names "Amado" and
"Amador". We could "translate" these as "la selpa'i" and "la prami".


> Since
> this last idea makes better sense, to me at least, I'll have to side
> with John Clifford's position as well.


It's the only tenable position.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 8:38 AM, Betsemes <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:betsemes@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">betsemes@gmail.com</a>&=
gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im"><br>
</div>xorlo definition of {la}:<br>
la (LA)<br>
Name article. It converts a selbri, selecting its first argument, or<br>
any string of cmevla into a sumti. The resulting expression refers<br>
specifically to an individual or individuals that the speaker has in<br>
mind and which the speaker names with the selbri or cmevla. An inner<br>
quantifier can be used (in the case of a selbri) as part of the name.<br>
An outer quantifier can be used to quantify distributively over those<br>
individuals.<br>
<br>
That&#39;s not terribly clear. On one hand it says that {la} selects the<br=
>
first argument, which to me means the first argument is the name and<br>
not the selbri itself. On the other hand it says that the selbri<br>
itself is the name (&quot;...the speaker names with the selbri...&quot;). <=
/blockquote><div><br></div><div>The name is the selbri, but there is a sens=
e in which the first argument is selected, as with other gadri. In Spanish =
we have the names &quot;Amado&quot; and &quot;Amador&quot;. We could &quot;=
translate&quot; these as &quot;la selpa&#39;i&quot; and &quot;la prami&quot=
;.=A0<br>
</div><div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);borde=
r-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">Since<br>
this last idea makes better sense, to me at least, I&#39;ll have to side<br=
>
with John Clifford&#39;s position as well.</blockquote><div><br></div><div =
style>It&#39;s the only tenable position.</div><div style><br></div><div st=
yle>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div style>=A0</div></div></div></div>

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