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[216.39.63.10]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id xz4si1336980pac.2.2013.06.08.10.39.25 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 08 Jun 2013 10:39:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 216.39.63.10 as permitted sender) client-ip=216.39.63.10; Received: from [216.39.60.167] by nm12.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2013 17:39:25 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.193] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2013 17:39:25 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.96] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2013 17:39:25 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1001.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2013 17:39:25 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 173801.45297.bm@omp1001.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 16231 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jun 2013 17:39:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HlL9njoVM1kBoT_7JmM_.JbvB5c3ZwkhIRoqyYPC5e4hMQB tghVVkLAPqaH2jP0u0WYfsDV6kQ5AXfTjGaAvlQJ043ooK6j6AyWj4Ox0sSX mXP5RISmjaog6ruarzg4k.Wl54NeJVRz5cB4BjwrCeLex_IC8AicYaHy.Ecz 4x99T2tuuz3qqVqUgA34U14oMKfTu1kctKGy96tWwOo2c5lkHnsNZ270Lhqc bREFHrP4E7NlDM47IDjsMWl9.QWzYoaE5rlegupEcsLnTOJ8Tev45wOSNCUa 4hvQuVQ38S2iRuqhCkvfZxe6kRQ.P2V.EuBKouvM3omFGcYaTmlLoWf87btD EB1Y7YXvSzfoPwWwPxbyVVcJUD9UaCFW4bjWcH9SEzhfxw0YQLzpjgpnVF6A Md2QHTDK6soAEFFgOgtMWsuzsjcbeExBQXvpiV2iXHBXHhdJDVjm1_d02SON 3N9ZcHIBXNp7gdojjO3nm2Gi.yaFj7H8qyZx74NXbbiiUjPn_ArwZ4TkB_Nd VfrqnXRfGfcCB6Kgl7dfCb0qsGCVhDCeS5kFa9ZZ0r3749u1BwWTkCkGT2UU 8XRYK0m4KF.7ve22.27kDsfQjjUdHGdZdXns0OLdKX1NkwGikim9hrTUkKQq 0IqkMGnSN0oO2mvmj.FpKokrnGUR.Kt_wHyQrKo.mXjb6RIMoGLWfGF71W_p 55rPi4mYJm0LASo0lDUkZ4Ko9R_9kmtYkhORWK_rfZ3nx6CEjN7h_c6NiNcr sWYlW5HMMHHs9rlKMMrYQXfeVTzj_.ZQTpjEXkPqn0GvLusf6uJC5eseIfrL mLpBpdLPi6jo3kO3ne5F1M8poInxrpD2JsCWFy95BIY7WX1XWjgcGCGFVeRf yVeyTETUF8xmpIum90l9CiKyf1RgkIvwOq2.r407Q.8TXOs.c8kpj1rFDQQ9 I Received: from [99.92.108.194] by web184406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 08 Jun 2013 10:39:24 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,U28sIGJhY2sgdG8gdGhlIHF1ZXN0aW9uIG9mIGluIHdoYXQgc2Vuc2UgTG9qYmFuIGlzIGEgbG9naWNhbCBsYW5ndWFnZS7CoCBUaGUgbW9zdCB0aGF0IHRoaXMgcGFwZXIgc3VnZ2VzdHMgaXMgdGhhdCB0aGUgc3VyZmFjZSBzdHJ1Y3R1cmUgKHNvcnJ5LCBpdCBzdGlsbCBpcyB0aGUgaGFuZGllc3QgdGVybWlub2xvZ3kpIG9mIGFuIHV0dGVyYW5jZSBtb3N0IHRyYW5zcGFyZW50bHkgcmVmbGVjdHMgdGhlIHVuZGVybHlpbmcgc3RydWN0dXJlIG9mIHRoZSBzZW1hbnRpYyBiYXNlLsKgIE1vcmUgb3IgbGVzcyABMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.145.547 References: Message-ID: <1370713164.47448.YahooMailNeo@web184406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 10:39:24 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_=5Blojban=5D_On_the_history_of_the_question_of_wheth?= =?windows-1252?Q?er_natural_language_is_=93illogical=94?= To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 216.39.63.10 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass header.i=@yahoo.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1789658926-1119164875-1370713164=:47448" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --1789658926-1119164875-1370713164=:47448 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So, back to the question of in what sense Lojban is a logical language.=A0 = The most that this paper suggests is that the surface structure (sorry, it = still is the handiest terminology) of an utterance most transparently refle= cts the underlying structure of the semantic base.=A0 More or less wat peop= le have always said when pressed, although the nature of the base has moved= considerably since 1955. ________________________________ From: la arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com=20 Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2013 11:07 AM Subject: [lojban] On the history of the question of whether natural languag= e is =93illogical=94 =20 http://hiphilangsci.net/2013/05/01/on-the-history-of-the-question-of-whethe= r-natural-language-is-illogical/ --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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So, back to the quest= ion of in what sense Lojban is a logical language.  The most that this= paper suggests is that the surface structure (sorry, it still is the handi= est terminology) of an utterance most transparently reflects the underlying= structure of the semantic base.  More or less wat people have always = said when pressed, although the nature of the base has moved considerably s= ince 1955.



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