Received: from mail-la0-f55.google.com ([209.85.215.55]:55470) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UlOPv-0002Xa-JL for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 08 Jun 2013 12:03:20 -0700 Received: by mail-la0-f55.google.com with SMTP id fe20sf1010986lab.0 for ; Sat, 08 Jun 2013 12:03:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=7SPsWRKDroR7/x1untsuqi+U1MQi8CdFE04GJjz2H6g=; b=O2uIBrjv4V9F1AMCQYOsQhdfLY7LVsfPXRo5nNZUFKth/ZloTxNKuFa4HOpY22ZIlm WzM7AF9bRTcLdnM+prsNxhgtDyhRMwJcKwKgsZQPgffwNDbGZL9kVypdfj3z7IfW8t1B bkimEHyySuxPUl1K+XV4VlE3h8/gv0PiQsjEFJAPKlWYthuq+QpGi+ci3+FS3WtLwGO9 cwRn2mk4e0X75ZIEAo0VZIRyt0voK5U0j9QSIuGwP8GQHMBe1E454gP9+hCEV+KfhUhS u/ENwsFF6hZ4ykh85kFzLKgSnUDtg8U7PWgefAdlvvb6jMJUtFQcgYBZBHS2XvXQWYQA aDcg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=7SPsWRKDroR7/x1untsuqi+U1MQi8CdFE04GJjz2H6g=; b=U/3Tve/acPX3sqUfiDp9zWiLKGTlk6ihvrF3cysD+SOexu/R5o7pPZQUvmE+VrUQkj LnKHndy4fCW7TMyHW4x43J4IDFxTJonAbKStXEpvO4XcyP9D7dL1hmBPY8okaG5/5cJm ghTurqfkarbKB8sBCalCUtpEIeVmuWN9KOTej8G0Xcns/h2gweDfSb9VukoZplZPESQU vn22ufJd+O/LBLVy0wXN3F3OrS7AlKpsfzbUvQdjb29ocVjwL57qOi+Mn8mb6XiewNBr xMpNjOhNEAXqG0izuCFB9dKeY6xWx3wqqmbZoyBP03ETav0c66lULf7vtFEWdBQOSA0d VBVw== X-Received: by 10.180.90.134 with SMTP id bw6mr137371wib.8.1370718183701; Sat, 08 Jun 2013 12:03:03 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.185.197 with SMTP id fe5ls496517wic.30.canary; Sat, 08 Jun 2013 12:03:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.204.235.129 with SMTP id kg1mr222574bkb.7.1370718182583; Sat, 08 Jun 2013 12:03:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-la0-x233.google.com (mail-la0-x233.google.com [2a00:1450:4010:c03::233]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cm16si260793bkb.0.2013.06.08.12.03.02 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 08 Jun 2013 12:03:02 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::233 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4010:c03::233; Received: by mail-la0-x233.google.com with SMTP id fq12so4437440lab.38 for ; Sat, 08 Jun 2013 12:03:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.121.2 with SMTP id lg2mr1876471lab.18.1370718182361; Sat, 08 Jun 2013 12:03:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.21.38 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 12:03:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <0e57de50-a0ed-4764-89ac-951fdc829b45@googlegroups.com> References: <0e57de50-a0ed-4764-89ac-951fdc829b45@googlegroups.com> Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 13:03:02 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Number of unique symbols needed to write lojban From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::233 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0115f05c58ce9704dea93240 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --089e0115f05c58ce9704dea93240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 12:47 PM, la arxokuna wr= ote: > On Saturday, June 8, 2013 10:36:41 PM UTC+4, tsofian wrote: >> >> How many unique symbols would be needed for all sounds and punctuation i= n >> written lojban? >> >> Sent from my iPhone > > > 25 letters. > 25 capital letters > plus optionally comma sign. > The current Lojban alphabet right consists of 23 letters, 5 capital or accented vowels, the ' . and , as below: a=E4 b c d e=EB f g i=EF j k l m n o=F6 p r s t u=FC v x y z ' . , The practice of capitalizing the entire emphasized syllable is still practiced but has fallen out of favor, with accenting becoming more widespread in use. (The original {la.paRIS.} became {la.parIs.} and is now {la.par=EFs.}) The minimum Lojban alphabet would therefore require 31 characters. --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --089e0115f05c58ce9704dea93240 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 12:47 PM, la arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, June 8, 2013 10:36:41 PM UTC+4, tsofian wrot= e:
How many unique symbols would be = needed for all sounds and punctuation in written lojban?

Sent from my iPhone

25 letters.
25 capital letters
plus optionally comma sign.

The current Lojban alphabet right consists of 23 letters,= 5 capital or accented vowels, the ' . and , as below:

a=E4 b c d e=EB f g i=EF j k l m n o=F6 p r s t u=FC v x y z ' . , =

The practice of capitalizing the entire emphasized syllable is stil= l practiced but has fallen out of favor, with accenting becoming more wides= pread in use. (The original {la.paRIS.} became {la.parIs.} and is now {la.p= ar=EFs.})

The minimum Lojban alphabet would therefore require 31 char= acters.

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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e&= #39;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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