Received: from mail-lb0-f188.google.com ([209.85.217.188]:50791) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UlOYN-0002ch-Ue for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 08 Jun 2013 12:12:03 -0700 Received: by mail-lb0-f188.google.com with SMTP id x10sf640074lbi.25 for ; Sat, 08 Jun 2013 12:11:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=/Y677bMxt1Wr89XFFLqMRU8WE2vWt/7XPgTU/7TVVEA=; b=E+XmEybu4SxDfzZd3pm6qN3L/jp5EwOz/uhgxSUuO/46mkBOCL+jzhPYgBv1nJmNcf K9tjhfji0qZWAs9xVcSB4FtBDMdfWZznAYShBoWUuSmUmKULN+9gwjzh0JRhmgmf/+OQ nZhjSY5kzhCa8ylXpwz9Ao2Gj/C6acU3ec31HWZuxBpkrGHBP18y28mwLnUjFu7RSLri tYQuVnwKpW52rGgEgK92ViXpDj6o5HbVqq6QgeN+i7IUZcOd8KRhD6Xi6RNAVn5MDQzz 6z/e0buIphjqdmObRuY32cNuyi+igYUf5ZwGPNIfQl/Nh2U6JL+vhyzDJLzdbYzGlyAX UXLw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=/Y677bMxt1Wr89XFFLqMRU8WE2vWt/7XPgTU/7TVVEA=; b=XJsz9O1jBntTdf30w1UpFcUXgQOf8BMSWbcGygTyQT4CNe1043YbezZzuFF36DONYM yOTcTFh/cBQl1eqcDzlMvacGlqkIH8Re/SWxMvg5P28yZK8JOatVpSW6jQ2LTEPdiM1q s+1K2N+3vGGwPhM+rDk1CoAqfF/BiFFgB186ceiSRyhlYy7cyLvIvCPq6M3KxSUHjQPK TDtmk3O0l/WCz3zR5onTaeHIJ+oxxZWbEG9R2J9ipQo23tTiD+YM4y0sI4lOvI8X65T2 5gB+f+lidpgmF1IjqwadfBZPjK5zs4/Jfkm9+FwbtbA2YCwBrUjavi3OI+sIjeDk4q6Q 919g== X-Received: by 10.180.73.180 with SMTP id m20mr138268wiv.12.1370718706383; Sat, 08 Jun 2013 12:11:46 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.212.41 with SMTP id nh9ls513785wic.32.gmail; Sat, 08 Jun 2013 12:11:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.205.25.135 with SMTP id ri7mr226647bkb.0.1370718705951; Sat, 08 Jun 2013 12:11:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f181.google.com (mail-lb0-f181.google.com [209.85.217.181]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id in9si261093bkb.2.2013.06.08.12.11.45 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 08 Jun 2013 12:11:45 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.181 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.181; Received: by mail-lb0-f181.google.com with SMTP id w10so2472925lbi.26 for ; Sat, 08 Jun 2013 12:11:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.235.137 with SMTP id um9mr3484780lbc.76.1370718705587; Sat, 08 Jun 2013 12:11:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.21.38 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 12:11:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <0e57de50-a0ed-4764-89ac-951fdc829b45@googlegroups.com> Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 13:11:45 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Number of unique symbols needed to write lojban From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.181 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c3d710889ae804dea95157 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --001a11c3d710889ae804dea95157 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 12:47 PM, la arxokuna = wrote: > >> On Saturday, June 8, 2013 10:36:41 PM UTC+4, tsofian wrote: >>> >>> How many unique symbols would be needed for all sounds and punctuation >>> in written lojban? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> 25 letters. >> 25 capital letters >> plus optionally comma sign. >> > > The current Lojban alphabet right consists of 23 letters, 5 capital or > accented vowels, the ' . and , as below: > > a=E4 b c d e=EB f g i=EF j k l m n o=F6 p r s t u=FC v x y z ' . , > > The practice of capitalizing the entire emphasized syllable is still > practiced but has fallen out of favor, with accenting becoming more > widespread in use. (The original {la.paRIS.} became {la.parIs.} and is no= w > {la.par=EFs.}) > > The minimum Lojban alphabet would therefore require 31 characters. > Side note: It doesn't matter which accent is used, either: =E0 =E1 =E2 =E4 = =E3 =E5 are all treated the same in Lojban: emphasized .abu --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --001a11c3d710889ae804dea95157 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Jonathan Jones <= span dir=3D"ltr"><eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 12:47 P= M, la arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>
On Saturday, June 8, 2013 10:36:41 PM UTC+4, tsofian wrote:How many unique symbols would be needed for al= l sounds and punctuation in written lojban?

Sent from my iPhone

25 letters.
25 capital letters
plus optionally comma sign.

The current Lojban alphabet right consists of 23 le= tters, 5 capital or accented vowels, the ' . and , as below:

a=E4 b c d e=EB f g i=EF j k l m n o=F6 p r s t u=FC v x y z ' . , =

The practice of capitalizing the entire emphasized syllable is stil= l practiced but has fallen out of favor, with accenting becoming more wides= pread in use. (The original {la.paRIS.} became {la.parIs.} and is now {la.p= ar=EFs.})

The minimum Lojban alphabet would therefore require 31 char= acters.

Side note: It doesn't matter whi= ch accent is used, either: =E0 =E1 =E2 =E4 =E3 =E5 are all treated the same= in Lojban: emphasized .abu

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima l= o pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Si= de! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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