Received: from mail-fa0-f62.google.com ([209.85.161.62]:34868) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Ulcyz-0006uo-CO for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 03:36:29 -0700 Received: by mail-fa0-f62.google.com with SMTP id m1sf405447fae.7 for ; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 03:36:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=hTTf07OPGc0vAqCOuctV4oDxOw75PsLJJK5fftZLHmg=; b=gXxwrD43/MuTV6YAf1QDusf4wqsQCBhF9ysMyAI6BJ3kSIjl4q57ZSv0BV3osPvsno tDV1DBLjk26jNswvIUOE0gYvzfqBYLv2nBdlRHbSU188YYbXwU+h8K7kqldOwrrZrOjk /gKBdCGffguat2UVq0rpkae6mqHbbIXl6Uvfrq3WzLw57f7vLEwJVfx4kqiH7Kdz4M+h 7abyiCdOUBR4+gAl/4pv7QiBpsJo+f66LuY6z4gtgSgOlrsmCtpUuMFJhNjaTY2m0hSL 4IUKXrL7PewbiT/xOK8ac+ECfhQIaif2qLyhTqqviiDtsgmmagVrTmyPHOpB7zJMDj9T vWFw== X-Received: by 10.180.93.136 with SMTP id cu8mr216631wib.9.1370774172755; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 03:36:12 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.78.138 with SMTP id b10ls597978wix.26.gmail; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 03:36:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.15.44.65 with SMTP id y41mr9228097eev.5.1370774172290; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 03:36:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dd17822.kasserver.com (dd17822.kasserver.com. [85.13.138.119]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n49si360222eeu.0.2013.06.09.03.36.12 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 09 Jun 2013 03:36:12 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 85.13.138.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of me@v4hn.de) client-ip=85.13.138.119; Received: from samsa (brln-4db8164d.pool.mediaWays.net [77.184.22.77]) by dd17822.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 8B42386162A for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 12:36:11 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 12:36:10 +0200 From: v4hn To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Number of unique symbols needed to write lojban Message-ID: <20130609103610.GC24964@samsa.fritz.box> References: <0e57de50-a0ed-4764-89ac-951fdc829b45@googlegroups.com> <8e6f543e-19f5-4c52-9480-d5cf89764725@googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LwW0XdcUbUexiWVK" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8e6f543e-19f5-4c52-9480-d5cf89764725@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: me@v4hn.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 85.13.138.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of me@v4hn.de) smtp.mail=me@v4hn.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --LwW0XdcUbUexiWVK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable coi On Sat, Jun 08, 2013 at 08:27:42PM -0700, la arxokuna wrote: > Oh, i was inprecise a bit. > 1. dot and apostrophe are letters in lojban so we have 25 lowercase lette= rs. > 2. There is a new trend to use capital letters instead of names of letter= s=20 > (A,B instead of .abu, by.). So we have 23 capital letters. There is such a trend? Well, at least now there is... Still capitals have to be included anyway. > 3. space What do you need the space for? > 4. optionally comma The comma is offically part of the alphabet. If you consider it optional then so are capitals - however, you're not talking about standard lojban then. v4hn, who agrees that the only reasonable answer to this troll question is "two" for binary or even "one" for unary coded text. --LwW0XdcUbUexiWVK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlG0WpoACgkQMBKLZs4+wjz+tQCfeLmvCBevRa/4MY+215+7/CxQ n00AnjxIabc1hePbFV02fKm2V2LkdpPx =fSKA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LwW0XdcUbUexiWVK--