Received: from mail-vc0-f192.google.com ([209.85.220.192]:56921) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Ulfvj-0000op-MN for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 06:45:31 -0700 Received: by mail-vc0-f192.google.com with SMTP id hr11sf1771529vcb.9 for ; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 06:45:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=4DIL3u0zTedNBAPaafKk3vSp8/hIZbLD0jLDw0omnOY=; b=ggIh7py1XJqBRNJGMouIDsHcuOf0GtK2P1ULk5tCwh4vlRXnID4jx01kS5EnpUKZ6G oJtO96Vv1oHNxsjOU8dG1U+pCRp0IUpOxLU+xK7CPXymThvNnLwqDDCQ0vYx/AozJ6DY 0hNOhOuQVMuUqWHXdk5uyvf1rtYH0DeTafgQl3Rw1H1HRkJnB66ulhrs+dSgK8K+RrAx FNqDdIW7ci+53PKZdQkszsmBZWt6vG+q8NL/nX+mBrxO5kO/Zicr9eaD63bev4twOfXD phApB/EtwiTUVthonosmSbDFlnVPCkgFSqfXZpcOiK2kTaAQDVIkMvObZkWaDy6jgw88 wYVA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=4DIL3u0zTedNBAPaafKk3vSp8/hIZbLD0jLDw0omnOY=; b=S6zy2H4cFq578ErYkfmiDNGPAIuNT39dLyScrowDPsqi1R5+foMri+U6tBSGAvqeA2 6IrRYT3Ldr/tAFgdEnlCcMzfqaThJANrkatrkw4z+e5akF9Bop4+n/TVFRzCjybjpqRU tvt1o/56FMbTKLfoJ56EKvgQbPp8++vHQqtfwtgbl1L1zrsC6jK5nOB7wODbNYOi5sL8 14tLhvbWuOZU7ZH76OyUKJ/N8zl+zTUr+tPTwAHnXSNylEe53WJZgomof3PFIln7xGQ2 nBxtM1N4p2i6802BE4D1wdwIjbUfWrbLSsc9+vbHa4Xo+Orw6hRrwXvridTeqX4Jk9is JHig== X-Received: by 10.49.82.16 with SMTP id e16mr250077qey.13.1370785504954; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 06:45:04 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.97.4 with SMTP id dw4ls2362001qeb.58.gmail; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 06:45:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.58.46.71 with SMTP id t7mr848265vem.3.1370785504445; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 06:45:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ve0-x22f.google.com (mail-ve0-x22f.google.com [2607:f8b0:400c:c01::22f]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k12si472404vdd.2.2013.06.09.06.45.04 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 09 Jun 2013 06:45:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c01::22f as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400c:c01::22f; Received: by mail-ve0-f175.google.com with SMTP id da11so4075731veb.6 for ; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 06:45:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.33.104 with SMTP id q8mr2914031vdi.96.1370785504313; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 06:45:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.21.67 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 06:45:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1370781558.18791.YahooMailNeo@web184404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <51A379EF.3020803@gmx.de> <51A6685C.3010505@lojban.org> <51A8680E.7040103@lojban.org> <51A8F326.2020901@lojban.org> <51A8F89D.2040408@gmx.de> <51B00097.8080004@lojban.org> <51B06D24.6020102@gmx.de> <51B46762.8080509@lojban.org> <1370781558.18791.YahooMailNeo@web184404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 10:45:04 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] cmevla as a class of brivla From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c01::22f as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307ac4d50c5c7504deb8dfa1 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --20cf307ac4d50c5c7504deb8dfa1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG wrote: > > And dotside or no dotside, I will never accept someone's choice of name to > be "la" %^) > > Dotside or no dotside, the word "la" cannot be a name by itself (although it can be part of a name, as in "la broda be la brode", where the second "la" is a part of the name, but that has nothing to do with dotside). All dotside does is remove the requirement for cmevla not to contain the syllables doi-la-lai-la'i. It does not allow anything else to be names. Dotside adds the requirement that cmevla that begin with a consonant must always be preceded by a dot. It was always the case that cmevla that begin with a vowel must be preceded by a dot and it was always the case that all cmevla must always end with a dot, It was also always the case that all cmevla required to be preceded by a dot in some contexts, for example when quoted with "zo". It was always "zo .lojbab." that's not a new requirement of dotside. For some reason, people seem to have very strange ideas about what dotside is. It certainly does not mean that you can take any word, put dots around it, and you end up with a name. It also does not mean that you need dots around any name. You only need them around cmevla. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Bob LeChevalier, President and Foun= der - LLG <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:

And dotside or no dotside, I will never accept someone's choice of name= to be "la" %^)


Do= tside or no dotside, the word "la" cannot be a name by itself (al= though it can be part of a name, as in "la broda be la brode", wh= ere the second "la" is a part of the name, but that has nothing t= o do with dotside).

All dotside does is remove the requirement for cmevla n= ot to contain the syllables doi-la-lai-la'i. It does not allow anything= else to be names. Dotside adds the requirement that cmevla that begin with= a consonant must always be preceded by a dot. It was always the case that = cmevla that begin with a vowel must be preceded by a dot and it was always = the case that all cmevla must always end with a dot, It was also always the= case that all cmevla required to be preceded by a dot in some contexts, fo= r example when quoted with "zo". It was always "zo .lojbab.&= quot; that's not a new requirement of dotside.

For some reason, people seem to have very strange= ideas about what dotside is. It certainly does not mean that you can take = any word, put dots around it, and you end up with a name. It also does not = mean that you need dots around any name. You only need them around cmevla.= =A0

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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