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 Content preview:  selpa'i wrote: >> I am saying that as far as Lojban is concerned
    "{la tsani} and {la tsani >> be zo'e}" are linguistically equivalent, and
    there is no way to say "la >> tsani" such that it DOESN'T include a possible
    value in the unspecified >> places; they are there and they are "zo'e", if
    nothing else. > > I understand your position. However, I doubt la tsani would
    agree that > his name is "tsani be zo'e". [...] 
 
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selpa'i wrote:
>> I am saying that as far as Lojban is concerned "{la tsani} and {la tsani
>> be zo'e}" are linguistically equivalent, and there is no way to say "la
>> tsani" such that it DOESN'T include a possible value in the unspecified
>> places; they are there and they are "zo'e", if nothing else.
>
> I understand your position. However, I doubt la tsani would agree that
> his name is "tsani be zo'e".

I'm on the point of asking "why should I care what la tsani would agree 
that his name is?"  His legal name is whatever the government accepts as 
his legal name.  His name in usage is whatever someone chooses to call 
him.

> It's not the same name as it is a different string of sounds.

It doesn't matter whether it is the same name.  All a name is, is a 
method of identifying a referent.  All names which identify the same 
referent are names for that referent.

>> And dotside or no dotside, I will never accept someone's choice of name
>> to be "la" %^)
>
> That's your private business, but don't expect everyone else to follow
> your personal preference here.

You seem unable to recognize a joke even if explicitly marked as one.

lojbab
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Bob LeChevalier    lojbab@lojban.org    www.lojban.org
President and Founder, The Logical Language Group, Inc.

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