Received: from mail-wg0-f56.google.com ([74.125.82.56]:33312) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Ulk6H-000378-LN for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 11:12:30 -0700 Received: by mail-wg0-f56.google.com with SMTP id k13sf976202wgh.1 for ; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 11:12:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IdwwArOdmygpYUT5yQY/XrjGw3pFX3hzMTQNsrIwUuc=; b=Cr26Wp2aukcjw3eMn5jh7mI30n/Ao9YjAmMFlXflXjHn8ht4QYT1w1yHd6Rg+5ipZU qekjiaKi9fo7z/E89rL3Yj8ISbYsXUWPRyReoWuDlXDilgwKlQIXDjsJK7ndLrICJM85 IsWdt65m8lwopAn7ljmLCnKlgmw/kcMJhe+1WVwxwnTiWYyt+iEDsJF9rViCh5T3K9Pd AT+xhw+v/yB9i/OxnWVou6XemEStFy18H+VMmLM+4XjZV7u+nJA2sLEELROuoj+PfuzN oYQ0zlgrGFBV7dCNbZfjLi+fi6V2MGOSewNF0Uwxo0VDpOUURfrfb59VD9O2cwAQFHFG CN6A== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IdwwArOdmygpYUT5yQY/XrjGw3pFX3hzMTQNsrIwUuc=; b=tXq8jcZ6HRTGdgshzCScPThkenYKi9TfVjo9dGFzfema1e5vEfIngqNdPNRCjN0wmK G14k+moKGBVBMNpI6bSiNEukepOpscDHSE36VKZen86Y0BZ8AgMyUvGuT0pvK4t3KOtY 5A5VzceIPM/P36BJ3Gn/PywaSXoLJPDQn6eEeuHEqpTeJoOGU/H7oJAXJ1Ci07fuMHap slhf+lJbvt82jWrzD+PC3dyzr3qTI7sPqEprqxFTaRZU/fF9rId2oTURWoIl+7bSJYnb ZyulV0iYyWTFXCCWRDwkSiFrgV++f4UPKs9swUpQsNUHSphflZm31AViKObTWtms4t6e kp/w== X-Received: by 10.180.189.72 with SMTP id gg8mr279509wic.1.1370801533867; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 11:12:13 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.98.227 with SMTP id el3ls636905wib.10.canary; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 11:12:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.204.183.197 with SMTP id ch5mr314794bkb.3.1370801533353; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 11:12:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f177.google.com (mail-lb0-f177.google.com [209.85.217.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cm16si486194bkb.0.2013.06.09.11.12.13 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 09 Jun 2013 11:12:13 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of betsemes@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.177; Received: by mail-lb0-f177.google.com with SMTP id 10so5127895lbf.22 for ; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 11:12:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.198.164 with SMTP id jd4mr5026733lbc.74.1370801533049; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 11:12:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.22.232 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 11:12:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <51A379EF.3020803@gmx.de> <51A6685C.3010505@lojban.org> <51A8680E.7040103@lojban.org> <51A8F326.2020901@lojban.org> <51A8F89D.2040408@gmx.de> <51B00097.8080004@lojban.org> <51B06D24.6020102@gmx.de> <51B46762.8080509@lojban.org> <51B47305.4020704@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 14:12:12 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] cmevla as a class of brivla From: Betsemes To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: betsemes@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of betsemes@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=betsemes@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Jorge Llamb=EDas wro= te: > "la" removes the meaning of the words, but the choice of those particula= r > words as a name, before their meaning was removed, was not innocent. The > words could have been chosen, at least in part, for their meaning, not ju= st > for their sound, and what the x1 of that selbri is is relevant to that > meaning, because it informs the choice between, for example "selpa'i" and > "prami" as potential names. So, the choice by {la} of the x1 of any selbri used as a name is not a grammatical fact, but more like a philosophical explanation that may or may not apply to each particular case. Is that true? mu'o mi'e betsemes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.