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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 12:24:31 -0600
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Subject: Re: [lojban] cmevla as a class of brivla
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On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 8:02 AM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:

> la .van. cu cusku di'e
>
>> On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 02:20:21PM +0200, selpa'i wrote:
>>
>>> la .lojbab. cu cusku di'e
>>>
>>>> But that isn't the case for Lojban.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You seem to be alone in thinking that (see other people's responses).
>>>
>>
>> Hold it right there. He's definitely not. It's just that some people
>> who produce most noise - not judging whether this is good or bad - on
>> this list
>> oppose it. That doesn't mean nobody else has the same opinion.
>>
>
> Then they should speak up and add to the discussion. If, in discussion X,
> something gets decided, then person Y that never cared to participate in
> discussion X should not complain about the outcome. In other words, if you
> want your opinion to be heard, then let it be heard. Otherwise it can be
> asumed you don't have an opinion or don't have an interest in the outcome
> of the discussion.


Seeing as how this discussion is about changing something in a language
which is not currently allowed to be changed, it's entirely possible that
those of use who disagree with your opinion that Lojban should be changed
to conform to your viewpoint merely don't wish to waste their time arguing
about something that has no effect on the language.

As .lojbab. shows quite clearly, your treatment of names in Lojban is /not/
how names are treated by the grammar. Which means you are either wrong and
pigheaded, or you are trying to propose a change to the grammar of a
language that is not currently allowed to be changed. In either case, it is
my opinion that you are wasting your breath. Nothing will be "decided" by
this conversation that has any effect on the functioning of Lojban.

-- 
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 8:02 AM, selpa&#39;i <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:seladwa@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">selad=
wa@gmx.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
la .van. cu cusku di&#39;e<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im">
On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 02:20:21PM +0200, selpa&#39;i wrote:<br>
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im">
la .lojbab. cu cusku di&#39;e<br>
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
But that isn&#39;t the case for Lojban.<br>
</blockquote><div class=3D"im">
<br>
You seem to be alone in thinking that (see other people&#39;s responses).<b=
r>
</div></blockquote><div class=3D"im">
<br>
Hold it right there. He&#39;s definitely not. It&#39;s just that some peopl=
e<br>
who produce most noise - not judging whether this is good or bad - on this =
list<br>
oppose it. That doesn&#39;t mean nobody else has the same opinion.<br>
</div></blockquote>
<br>
Then they should speak up and add to the discussion. If, in discussion X, s=
omething gets decided, then person Y that never cared to participate in dis=
cussion X should not complain about the outcome. In other words, if you wan=
t your opinion to be heard, then let it be heard. Otherwise it can be asume=
d you don&#39;t have an opinion or don&#39;t have an interest in the outcom=
e of the discussion.</blockquote>
<div><br>Seeing as how this discussion is about changing something in a lan=
guage which is not currently allowed to be changed, it&#39;s entirely possi=
ble that those of use who disagree with your opinion that Lojban should be =
changed to conform to your viewpoint merely don&#39;t wish to waste their t=
ime arguing about something that has no effect on the language.<br>
<br>As .lojbab. shows quite clearly, your treatment of names in Lojban is /=
not/ how names are treated by the grammar. Which means you are either wrong=
 and pigheaded, or you are trying to propose a change to the grammar of a l=
anguage that is not currently allowed to be changed. In either case, it is =
my opinion that you are wasting your breath. Nothing will be &quot;decided&=
quot; by this conversation that has any effect on the functioning of Lojban=
.<br>
</div></div><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko c=
mima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<br>(Come to the =
Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )<br>

<p></p>

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