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Is that true? I'm not sure what counts as grammatical fact here. Would you say that it is a grammatical fact of Spanish that the name "Amado" has the form of a participle, or would you say it's just a philosophical explanation? mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --001a11c2abf8ec97a604debcc650 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable



On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Betsemes <betsemes@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:

So, the choice by {la} of the x1 of any selbri used as a name is not = a
grammatical fact, but more like a philosophical explanation that may
or may not apply to each particular case. Is that true?
I'm not sure what counts as grammatical fact here. W= ould you say that it is a grammatical fact of Spanish that the name "A= mado" has the form of a participle, or would you say it's just a p= hilosophical explanation?=A0

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