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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 14:31:19 -0400
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Subject: Re: [lojban] cmevla as a class of brivla
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On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 9:35 AM, v4hn <me@v4hn.de> wrote:

> > But the accepted definition of {la} is:
> >
> > la broda == lo selcme be zo broda
>
> No, it is not. The last "accepted" "definition" of {la} is in xorlo which
> states
>
> la [PA] broda - zo'e noi lu [PA] broda li'u cmene ke'a mi
>
Switching out {lu ... li'u} for {zo}, these are very nearly equivalent when
xorlo's lo is taken into account, with the only difference being that the
definition of {la} makes the cmene3 explicit.

> Another rather simple observation: Whether or not {la selpa'i}
> is decided to have some semantic connection to {prami}, you're not able to
> make
> people ignore connotations of the word you're uttering.
> Psychological fact (if such things even exist).
> Therefore, if I read {la tsani}, I will think of the person AND I will
> think
> of sky. Same for {selpa'i}. So if you don't want me to think of "beloved"
> when I read about you, pick a different name.
>
I would say this is weakly true at best. I don't think of blacksmiths when
I meet someone whose last name is Smith.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

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<div dir=3D"ltr">On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 9:35 AM, v4hn <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:me@v4hn.de" target=3D"_blank">me@v4hn.de</a>&gt;</span> =
wrote:<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc soli=
d;padding-left:1ex">
&gt; But the accepted definition of {la} is:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; la broda =3D=3D lo selcme be zo broda<br>
<br>
No, it is not. The last &quot;accepted&quot; &quot;definition&quot; of {la}=
 is in xorlo which states<br>
<br>
la [PA] broda - zo&#39;e noi lu [PA] broda li&#39;u cmene ke&#39;a mi<br></=
blockquote>Switching out {lu ... li&#39;u} for {zo}, these are very nearly =
equivalent when xorlo&#39;s lo is taken into account, with the only differe=
nce being that the definition of {la} makes the cmene3 explicit. <br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Another rather simple observation: Whether or not {la selpa&#39;i}<br>
is decided to have some semantic connection to {prami}, you&#39;re not able=
 to make<br>
people ignore connotations of the word you&#39;re uttering.<br>
Psychological fact (if such things even exist).<br>
Therefore, if I read {la tsani}, I will think of the person AND I will thin=
k<br>
of sky. Same for {selpa&#39;i}. So if you don&#39;t want me to think of &qu=
ot;beloved&quot;<br>
when I read about you, pick a different name.<br></blockquote><div>I would =
say this is weakly true at best. I don&#39;t think of blacksmiths when I me=
et someone whose last name is Smith. <br><br></div><div>mi&#39;e la latro&#=
39;a mu&#39;o<br>
</div></div><br></div></div>

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