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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 18:20:19 -0300
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Subject: Re: [lojban] cmevla as a class of brivla
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On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Robert LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org>wrote=
:

> Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder -
>> LLG <lojbab@lojban.org <mailto:lojbab@lojban.org>> wrote:
>>
>>     But the argument that I was responding to seems to indicate that
>>     anything marked with "la" is just a string being treated as a name
>>     with no semantic content in the same way that "zo" turns a string
>>     into a sumti with no semantic content.
>>
>>
>> That's basically what CLL says in Chapter 6 Section 2:
>>
>> "The last descriptor of this section is =93la=94, which indicates that t=
he
>> selbri which follows it has been dissociated from its normal meaning and
>> is being used as a name."
>>
>
> I'll have to read the context, but I think that doesn't say the same
> thing; it is a statement about semantics, whereas it is the grammar that
> has been baselined, not any semantic theory.
>

I'll wait for you to read the context then.


(I still don't know what a "cmevla" is.  I know what a "cmene" is)
>
>
A cmevla is any Lojban word that ends in a consonant.

Examples of (single) cmene that are not (single) cmevla are: "la'o gy
Starbucks gy", "la djan smit", "la selpa'i"

It is useful to be able to distinguish the special word form "cmevla" from
the more general notion of cmene. These two concepts used to be confused
when cmevla were called cmene, since not all cmene have the form of cmevla.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Robert LeChevalier <span dir=3D"ltr=
">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lojbab@lojban.org" target=3D"_blank">lojbab@lojban.=
org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im">
On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder -<br=
></div><div class=3D"im">
LLG &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lojbab@lojban.org" target=3D"_blank">lojbab@lojba=
n.org</a> &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:lojbab@lojban.org" target=3D"_blank"=
>lojbab@lojban.org</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
<br></div><div class=3D"im">
=A0 =A0 But the argument that I was responding to seems to indicate that<br=
>
=A0 =A0 anything marked with &quot;la&quot; is just a string being treated =
as a name<br>
=A0 =A0 with no semantic content in the same way that &quot;zo&quot; turns =
a string<br>
=A0 =A0 into a sumti with no semantic content.<br>
<br>
<br>
That&#39;s basically what CLL says in Chapter 6 Section 2:<br>
<br>
&quot;The last descriptor of this section is =93la=94, which indicates that=
 the<br>
selbri which follows it has been dissociated from its normal meaning and<br=
>
is being used as a name.&quot;<br>
</div></blockquote>
<br>
I&#39;ll have to read the context, but I think that doesn&#39;t say the sam=
e thing; it is a statement about semantics, whereas it is the grammar that =
has been baselined, not any semantic theory.<br></blockquote><div><br>
</div><div style>I&#39;ll wait for you to read the context then.=A0</div><d=
iv><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im=
"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:=
1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)">(I still don&#39;t know what a &quot;cm=
evla&quot; is. =A0I know what a &quot;cmene&quot; is)</span></blockquote></=
div></blockquote><div><br></div><div style>A cmevla is any Lojban word that=
 ends in a consonant.</div>
<div style><br></div><div style>Examples of (single) cmene that are not (si=
ngle) cmevla are: &quot;la&#39;o gy Starbucks gy&quot;, &quot;la djan smit&=
quot;, &quot;la selpa&#39;i&quot;</div><div style><br></div><div style>
It is useful to be able to distinguish the special word form &quot;cmevla&q=
uot; from the more general notion of cmene. These two concepts used to be c=
onfused when cmevla were called cmene, since not all cmene have the form of=
 cmevla.</div>
<div style><br></div><div style>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div style><b=
r></div></div></div></div>

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