Received: from mail-fa0-f59.google.com ([209.85.161.59]:63031) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UlpZA-0005JQ-Fl for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 17:02:44 -0700 Received: by mail-fa0-f59.google.com with SMTP id p1sf488255fap.14 for ; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 17:02:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=7iF0Bpk0ihbPk2fLdYW48v2ArVoHRKCDrhyrj7wGdBM=; b=QlBzFCfKinZrL3nc4GW8z6BfrBZbqwfxqN79/q+b52keWBV4r8pD23UQsD9jUL6dxR D9t4aP6wbRDb8v6zq8/RvRaNK2g9eymKIV6G+dXxrc515lBxOYyH6CiaJqgV6N0IEpTx SL+D6suc8HJOIWVnC0Erm0tqTsN41SJ00B2itvD8/yGvdtSoKv+Oy4eiEinwyhfye8ho g+1P1UChF1v2iqFGb8zuDMkmbrRiYEp7FJ5SfDIVFGl3bTF/V4QKonMX0X0CiplhIZ25 sVxIgWeSQh5LAXDFUrgw1g2DoYK4bQR1Gg0eHDdxQPvX36EuE0t95kqKvtofewG3ufUz L86Q== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=7iF0Bpk0ihbPk2fLdYW48v2ArVoHRKCDrhyrj7wGdBM=; b=Zuz5NBKVeEIBI2OmwsIayr9pSeEKMrFuHPQjF4RhXjkqD3eqIy+8N+noZVaoAcSp2g uVRey9dg+zG1cxGmZlEhhdnJ2wGqlfrG46q9ylsu52cImdXuwkRoX95mq6mMK9TaSVBA XCcXJKZf80I1U9xy/UxpJ90yJ9LzpHmna6NIfcY0ClNZIvzhIKqDOsZeoHfta+rHWKC6 R27EDx9vA1zmi4tJNA2DTbRMwEr9nUqFQvTnMg5RrP1dmroe8VNYeGBX9ztLSUivI8AW 4pDeesFv08fpY/7mjx4f2v4PJsK3eFhEH4eoIjIIlqlW2hBjBm93kE82fwTEmIR89hVt LpWQ== X-Received: by 10.180.79.196 with SMTP id l4mr299949wix.21.1370822544966; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 17:02:24 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.36.77 with SMTP id o13ls670370wij.22.gmail; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 17:02:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.204.72.1 with SMTP id k1mr342108bkj.1.1370822543907; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 17:02:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-la0-x22f.google.com (mail-la0-x22f.google.com [2a00:1450:4010:c03::22f]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id in9si541749bkb.2.2013.06.09.17.02.23 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 09 Jun 2013 17:02:23 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of betsemes@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::22f as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4010:c03::22f; Received: by mail-la0-f47.google.com with SMTP id fe20so5106486lab.6 for ; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 17:02:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.170.194 with SMTP id ao2mr2867959lac.48.1370822543587; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 17:02:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.22.232 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 17:02:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <51A379EF.3020803@gmx.de> <51A6685C.3010505@lojban.org> <51A8680E.7040103@lojban.org> <51A8F326.2020901@lojban.org> <51A8F89D.2040408@gmx.de> <51B00097.8080004@lojban.org> <51B06D24.6020102@gmx.de> <51B46762.8080509@lojban.org> <51B47305.4020704@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 20:02:23 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] cmevla as a class of brivla From: Betsemes To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: betsemes@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of betsemes@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::22f as permitted sender) smtp.mail=betsemes@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Jorge Llamb=EDas wro= te: > I'm not sure what counts as grammatical fact here. Would you say that it = is > a grammatical fact of Spanish that the name "Amado" has the form of a > participle, or would you say it's just a philosophical explanation? Not what I meant; but by further following the discussion, I see there's different opinions on the matter, so I better leave it here and continue following the discussion. To me it would be much easier to say that {la} takes a word or words, be them cmevla, brivla, or whatever as a string of sounds and make a name out of it. mu'o mi'e betsemes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.