Received: from mail-pa0-f63.google.com ([209.85.220.63]:63810) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UlqKL-0005WV-GK for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 17:51:28 -0700 Received: by mail-pa0-f63.google.com with SMTP id hz11sf834324pad.28 for ; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 17:51:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=trWx5Ga3ehiCdaCJ9jMKvi4979WKI6gZklwSzcF/0js=; b=MV2vdNziIKGmjfy2b9PbcNbzjP3dUT+9a1Y/UASYNm3V3nogiANp0gICKFb8ZocbFf 6qeSn/kFi0Tgh498bvaKS24zpiMEQOQ0vkccuYv/Zph9P/OHQBxH2KCpOeTVVA4F07jl 9Z1rDFrKrB4FHJedIKFVikmmJdT+CrwabREiICApyGNFhZ6i2uG7ZbgqfYmquVeyXHaL DEQg7n7W4x8dBFShl8EuezPV8o/w4NPq6qArqm6FxYCC1IIh3XCz4rzuxaSWwjLhTM+n UE+UTeEHLjKyAJNHGSma0qkaN0Ufq0OaoD2jWbDWS/by+PaEV0J99aEp47/PBELrkl8/ co3w== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=trWx5Ga3ehiCdaCJ9jMKvi4979WKI6gZklwSzcF/0js=; b=OWBdQOm0GL8SpupZg9RfGUnWOL8vokIMIS/JUZF/7ZQDGvtxzSdcK6y4LekZ0Fx3JD U+yifDY+h7uBAvOv4OhQeLNHF722pNq++ZkCtkYPZfmVuWOs+RHobyzWJM1XK/uo0YwB 9X9NtQiHirihVOstW2I2dFZLnTfKL0s8ULMM+NtuR5cu+iT4MkpYDezVg1mhQhGh3oPk 8cpID+7pVJBUR2klnuzay0HtIgnI9R8PhZXGy4Zozq4nkLxynCdsXx+T1pYaErOVQfjk lpFAe0as59KjiILYjvVYxWu9xKJwfbngxEgnh8SvRYVb6aY1kKebEkp9vFa8Ll9tyR3c AjIA== X-Received: by 10.50.29.2 with SMTP id f2mr529485igh.12.1370825470628; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 17:51:10 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.44.79 with SMTP id c15ls1740660igm.39.canary; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 17:51:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.42.190.78 with SMTP id dh14mr6759045icb.33.1370825470037; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 17:51:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ie0-x235.google.com (mail-ie0-x235.google.com [2607:f8b0:4001:c03::235]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v15si872776igr.1.2013.06.09.17.51.09 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 09 Jun 2013 17:51:10 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c03::235 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4001:c03::235; Received: by mail-ie0-f181.google.com with SMTP id x14so14474646ief.26 for ; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 17:51:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.50.244 with SMTP id f20mr3088153igo.21.1370825469518; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 17:51:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.233.229 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 17:51:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <51A379EF.3020803@gmx.de> <51A6685C.3010505@lojban.org> <51A8680E.7040103@lojban.org> <51A8F326.2020901@lojban.org> <51A8F89D.2040408@gmx.de> <51B00097.8080004@lojban.org> <51B06D24.6020102@gmx.de> <51B46762.8080509@lojban.org> <1370781558.18791.YahooMailNeo@web184404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <51B4BA33.1030507@lojban.org> <51B4EEFA.9060009@lojban.org> Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 20:51:09 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] cmevla as a class of brivla From: Ian Johnson To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c03::235 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bd6be1228f2e804dec22d6b X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7bd6be1228f2e804dec22d6b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 5:20 PM, Jorge Llamb=EDas wro= te: > > A cmevla is any Lojban word that ends in a consonant. > > Examples of (single) cmene that are not (single) cmevla are: "la'o gy > Starbucks gy", "la djan smit", "la selpa'i" > > It is useful to be able to distinguish the special word form "cmevla" fro= m > the more general notion of cmene. These two concepts used to be confused > when cmevla were called cmene, since not all cmene have the form of cmevl= a. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > While I know what you meant, you made a basic mistake: named-things are not themselves names. {zoi gy Starbucks gy}, {lu djan smit}, and {zo selpa'i} are cmene that are not single cmevla. mi'e la latro'a mu'o --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --047d7bd6be1228f2e804dec22d6b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On S= un, Jun 9, 2013 at 5:20 PM, Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com= > wrote:
A cmevla is any Lojban word that ends in a consonant.

Examples of (single) cmene that are not (single) cmevla= are: "la'o gy Starbucks gy", "la djan smit", "= ;la selpa'i"

It is useful to be able to distinguish the special word form "cmevla&q= uot; from the more general notion of cmene. These two concepts used to be c= onfused when cmevla were called cmene, since not all cmene have the form of= cmevla.

mu'o mi'e xorxes
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While I know what you meant, you made a basic mistake: nam= ed-things are not themselves names. {zoi gy Starbucks gy}, {lu djan smit}, = and {zo selpa'i} are cmene that are not single cmevla.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

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