Received: from mail-pd0-f191.google.com ([209.85.192.191]:40732) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UlqMl-0005YA-3b for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 17:53:51 -0700 Received: by mail-pd0-f191.google.com with SMTP id v14sf919336pde.8 for ; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 17:53:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=drZO9cE5cr7UKdp0638vOwTlmFbfLBNVft4IPkMT394=; b=KeAM938cbQF+F2kWfubNlCQkFHINDn+VlTbAKcONjbn2+gRXZqeN1kiX9hXVWCTcRs vzf5Zd9cQWLm2XvFQxMmqptopPQt1IOvQgiwEDguT8eCB2hjdKnbQpojGiozUzARnS93 VTBe8+lZjGzk+Ar4+FnFyASrncI8RGtnTdnGhlhDx6/8oBXcIGaw18300sjVx97h1l6A hLCvPIbBzw17tIqNw+tpv8E/h3V2lwBpZjdMjrAp18x3+G4We4rkYLm5cUjR9y3kERtC F4oydkOV/wQ3KGwnKbVaMRPB6a/9ZVEij69mCWTAeovoyOfQzQ8OC9zqII99IDOQaOj+ QuTw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=drZO9cE5cr7UKdp0638vOwTlmFbfLBNVft4IPkMT394=; b=NS/z2/6RW2dkF2NqN/inIdOVAyqQ7igfh8VAxs9anexratvhquW29hIATe6XhTglab SeOepiWM8VlPNvhdD+/9lqKXOc2b6MwNJHpYb08JlhW9ui6pIL3LyGFtcwl2uzEtslLN DueDZfNh+cJzpb71wMjg7Q7tpSKd0K78JQiLv4ulq7Y69ZLcrNnqMzlP2pkQMVhjV0Oi ge/uwYHt1zuRrekGzQjCMWBNrQRK4FiTzo0Lvrg53caq/+bnBN273U9PM97tkgz0qFdv Kjt5WV/sv47kWIQkStO2DJ+FFE/xh6umR93XcsqfF+xFYI9VxpH8FzU3ZLSD7q7Tw3Wm Vd6A== X-Received: by 10.50.98.1 with SMTP id ee1mr531902igb.5.1370825621150; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 17:53:41 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.50.202 with SMTP id e10ls1771264igo.43.canary; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 17:53:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.42.119.144 with SMTP id b16mr6661462icr.7.1370825620785; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 17:53:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ie0-x234.google.com (mail-ie0-x234.google.com [2607:f8b0:4001:c03::234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b5si847989igx.3.2013.06.09.17.53.40 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 09 Jun 2013 17:53:40 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c03::234 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4001:c03::234; Received: by mail-ie0-x234.google.com with SMTP id f4so9798124iea.25 for ; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 17:53:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.42.102.211 with SMTP id j19mr3055072ico.0.1370825620565; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 17:53:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.233.229 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 17:53:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1370813476.27765.YahooMailNeo@web184405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <51A379EF.3020803@gmx.de> <51A6685C.3010505@lojban.org> <51A8680E.7040103@lojban.org> <51A8F326.2020901@lojban.org> <51A8F89D.2040408@gmx.de> <51B00097.8080004@lojban.org> <51B06D24.6020102@gmx.de> <51B46762.8080509@lojban.org> <51B47305.4020704@gmx.de> <1370811519.81380.YahooMailNeo@web184403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1370813476.27765.YahooMailNeo@web184405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 20:53:40 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] cmevla as a class of brivla From: Ian Johnson To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c03::234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3011e35d29b57204dec2363a X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --20cf3011e35d29b57204dec2363a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 5:31 PM, John E Clifford wrote: > Well, Lojbab's position is close to incomprehensible to me, too, but he > has maintained it for several days now without falter: if {la tsani} is > somebody's name, then {la tsani be zo'e} is that person's name as well, *just > as if {lo tsani} is a correct description of a thing {lo tsani be zo'e} is. > * > (Underline added for clarity.) This is itself slightly controversial, essentially because it is occasionally impractical. Some of us have started thinking of the default unfilled place as {zi'o .u zo'e}, essentially "while I'm not explicitly claiming that there is something here, you should keep in mind that there might be." mi'e la latro'a mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --20cf3011e35d29b57204dec2363a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On S= un, Jun 9, 2013 at 5:31 PM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com= > wrote:
Well, Lojbab's posit= ion is close to incomprehensible to me, too, but he has maintained it for s= everal days now without falter: if {la tsani} is somebody's name, then = {la tsani be zo'e} is that person's name as well, just as if {lo= tsani} is a correct description of a thing {lo tsani be zo'e} is. =
(Underline added for clarity.)
This is itself slightly controversial, essentially because it is occa= sionally impractical. Some of us have started thinking of the default unfil= led place as {zi'o .u zo'e}, essentially "while I'm not ex= plicitly claiming that there is something here, you should keep in mind tha= t there might be."

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

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