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From: Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org>
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Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2013 22:23:02 -0400
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On Sunday, June 09, 2013 13:20:00 John E Clifford wrote:
> The name-others distinction in logic is  not about function (although tha=
t,
> too) but about form. Could Lojban names look just like other expressions?=
=20
> They don't, but that is not the issue.
>=20
> What kind of a predicate is {djan zei pol}?=20

A predicate with completely unclear place structure. How about=20
"sapir.zei.uorf"?

On Sunday, June 09, 2013 17:09:14 Robert LeChevalier wrote:
> Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote:
> > I'm also pretty sure your problem is not with that. You oppose the merg=
e
> > of CMEVLA with BRIVLA because you oppose any changes to the language.
>=20
> I do so oppose  - prior to the documentation baseline.  I've actually
> not taken a position on the so-called "merge" proposal, as I think has
> been described in the thread.

I oppose this merge both before and after the baseline.

On Sunday, June 09, 2013 14:16:24 John E Clifford wrote:
> My understanding of the cumulative effect of dotside is that every *name*
> must be surrounded by glottal stops (which otherwise do not except betwee=
n
> final and initial vowels, i.e., phonemically conditioned).  Thus,
> {.paris.rom.} is distinct from {. paris rom.}

".paris.rom." is identical to ".paris rom.". Both are one cmene composed of=
=20
two cmevla. ".paris,rom." is identical to ".parisrom.". Both are one single=
=20
cmevla.

Taking C=F4te d'Ivoire as an example, ".kot.divuar." and ".kot divuar." are=
 the=20
same, whereas ".kot,divuar." and ".kotdivuar." are both invalid because a=
=20
voiced stop cannot be next to a voiceless stop.

Pierre
--=20
loi mintu se ckaji danlu cu jmaji

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