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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 19:31:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>
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I have traced the origins of dotside prime back as far as a description of =
an early stage of xorban, where it is embedded in a mass of other ideas, wh=
ich are not sourced (though I recognize some as xorxes' and some as &'s)


________________________________
 From: Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com=20
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] cmevla as a class of brivla
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On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 6:16 PM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrot=
e:


>And the predicate here created means?=A0 Presumably the composition rules =
still applies (if not, there is yet another problem) so, lacking any other =
information this means "is John-Paul" or "is John and Paul", though what {u=
i zei pi'o} means (and why we would want it) is beyond me.
>

As with any lujvo, the meaning would have to be looked up in the dictionary=
. The form is available, but that doesn't mean it will be used.
=A0

My understanding of the cumulative effect of dotside is that every *name* m=
ust be surrounded by glottal stops=20

A common misunderstanding, but still a misunderstanding.

=A0
(which otherwise do not except between final and initial vowels, i.e., phon=
emically conditioned).=A0 Thus, {.paris.rom.} is distinct from {. paris rom=
.}
>
>
>
No, If there is no pause between "paris" and "rom" it must be written "pari=
srom". If it is written "paris rom" then the pause between them is obligato=
ry, whether or not a dot is written.

mu'o mi'e xorxes
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ti=
mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">I have traced the ori=
gins of dotside prime back as far as a description of an early stage of xor=
ban, where it is embedded in a mass of other ideas, which are not sourced (=
though I recognize some as xorxes' and some as &amp;'s)<br><div><span><br><=
/span></div><div><br></div>  <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, ne=
w york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style=3D"font-family: times n=
ew roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <hr =
size=3D"1">  <font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight=
:bold;">From:</span></b> Jorge Llamb=EDas &lt;jjllambias@gmail.com&gt;<br> =
<b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> lojban@googlegroups.co=
m <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, June =
9, 2013 4:25 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></=
b> Re: [lojban]
 cmevla as a class of brivla<br> </font> </div> <div class=3D"y_msg_contain=
er"><br>
<div id=3D"yiv1436304240"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"yiv1436304240g=
mail_extra">On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 6:16 PM, John E Clifford <span dir=3D"lt=
r">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:kali9putra@yahoo.com" target=
=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:kali9putra@yahoo.com">kali9putra@yahoo.com</a>&g=
t;</span> wrote:<br><div class=3D"yiv1436304240gmail_quote">
<blockquote class=3D"yiv1436304240gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;b=
order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div style=3D"font-size:1=
2pt;font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;"><br>And the predi=
cate here created means?&nbsp; Presumably the composition rules still appli=
es (if not, there is yet another problem) so, lacking any other information=
 this means "is John-Paul" or "is John and Paul", though what {ui zei pi'o}=
 means (and why we would want it) is beyond me.<br>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div style=3D"">As with any lujvo, =
the meaning would have to be looked up in the dictionary. The form is avail=
able, but that doesn't mean it will be used.</div><div style=3D"">&nbsp;</d=
iv><div style=3D"">
<br></div><blockquote class=3D"yiv1436304240gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 =
0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div style=3D"f=
ont-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;">My unde=
rstanding of the cumulative effect of dotside is that every *name* must be =
surrounded by glottal stops </div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>A common misunderstanding, but still=
 a misunderstanding.<br></div><div>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"yiv1436=
304240gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pa=
dding-left:1ex;"><div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman, new york, times, =
serif;">(which otherwise do not except between final and initial vowels, i.=
e., phonemically conditioned).&nbsp; Thus, {.paris.rom.} is distinct from {=
. paris rom.}<br>
<div><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div style=3D"">No, If there is no =
pause between "paris" and "rom" it must be written "parisrom". If it is wri=
tten "paris rom" then the pause between them is obligatory, whether or not =
a dot is written.</div>
<div style=3D""><br></div><div style=3D"">mu'o mi'e xorxes</div><div style=
=3D"">&nbsp;</div></div></div></div>


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